State of the Jets: Offense

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  1. Jetfanmack

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    It’s been a long offseason so far, longer than what it should have been considering where the team stood after week 12. But halfway into the offseason, it’s time to take a look at the state of the union for the NYJ. Today, I will take a look at the offense, what changes have been made, and what else needs to be done. In the coming days, I'll post about the defense as well.

    Last year’s collapse cost former coach Eric Mangini his job and put a small blemish on Brett Favre’s storied career. Now, both are gone, and the Rex Ryan/Mark Sanchez era is set to begin. Still, the offense will keep some continuity after offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer decided to return to the team.

    Schottenheimer has had an up and down tenure at offensive coordinator for the Jets. In 2006 he was a genius, creating a respectable offense out of a rehabbing Chad Pennington, a mediocre Kevan Barlow, a rookie Leon Washington, Laveranues Coles, and an unproven Jerricho Cotchery. On paper, that offense was by far the worst in his three years as coordinator, but it was his most successful. Defenses were kept off-balance as the offense was creative, using shifts and various other ways to generate points.

    But in 2007 the offensive line fell to shambles, and 2008 brought a new quarterback and a bastardized version of the offense, with less shifting, and more of what fit Favre’s game. This year Rex Ryan is giving Schottenheimer the freedom he had three years ago, and while the talent is not particularly strong again, there is a foundation in place for a power-running football team, much like the Baltimore Ravens had last season.

    In fact on paper, Baltimore is a perfect comparison for this team on both sides of the ball, and just like the Ravens, the Jets will run a three-pronged running attack to protect an unproven quarterback. Thomas Jones, Leon Washington, and Shonn Greene will play the Willis McGahee, Ray Rice, and LeRon McClain roles respectively.

    But the biggest key to the offense working the way Ryan and Schottenheimer want it to is the offensive line. We all saw between 2007 and 2008 what difference an offensive line makes because make no mistake about it, Alan Faneca and Damien Woody meant a ton more to the Jets last year than Favre did, and re-signing Brandon Moore in free agency means that all five linemen are back for another year.

    That line helped turn Thomas Jones from a disappointment to the AFC’s leading rusher in 2008. This year, Jones will presumably have a lot more help carrying the load, though he probably would prefer not to. But there’s no way the coaching staff can ignore Leon Washington again. With a new staff, the playmaking Washington (5.9 YPC) will almost assuredly get more than 76 carries. And the Jets didn’t trade up to get Greene if they didn’t plan on getting him some touches, too.

    Last year in Baltimore, McClain received 232 carries in 16 games, while McGahee and Rice had 170 and 107 in 13 games apiece. Expect a similar breakdown between Jones, Washington, and Greene, in that order.

    However, as appealing as the running game is on paper, the passing attack needs to be respectable enough to keep defenses honest. It’s hard to expect either Kellen Clemens or Mark Sanchez to be a great quarterback this year. Clemens has been passed over by two separate regimes, a clear sign of a lack of confidence by both staffs. Still, Clemens has never really received a fair shot in the NFL, and he has some tools to work with plus a head start in Schottenheimer’s offense.

    But it’s clear from listening to the Jets that they would prefer Sanchez to win the job. Rookie quarterbacks rarely have success in the NFL, but amazingly, two rookies led their teams to the playoffs last year: Joe Flacco in Baltimore and Matt Ryan in Atlanta. However, both had extensive college experience, even if it wasn’t at schools as prestigious as USC. Sanchez has just 16 starts and as talented and media-savvy as he is, there is no subsitute for experience.

    That being said, it’s unlikely either Clemens or Sanchez throws 22 interceptions, the number that Favre threw last year. 22 touchdowns may be a stretch, too, but this team is going to win based on running the football and playing defense. The quarterback will simply need to manage the game and not screw it up. Part of that has to do with the inexperience of whoever wins the job.

    But the other reason for the likely conservative offense is the lack of experienced weapons on the outside. Jerricho Cotchery is the clear-cut number one receiver by default, with three 850+ yard seasons under his belt. He will produce no matter what, but for this offense to reach its full potential, he will need to get some help.

    The number two option in the passing game should be second-year tight end Dustin Keller. He has all the talent to be a star receiver at the position after posting 535 yards and three touchdowns as a rookie. His presence will be key for Sanchez or Clemens as a safety valve that can also make some big plays on his own. His hands were a little shaky last year, but they weren’t a problem in college, so don’t worry too much about that. His biggest issue should be blocking, as he is not a good in-line blocker.

    The Jets will need to bring in some help at tight end to pick up some of the blocking duties. Bubba Franks was re-signed, and while he will help provide depth, he’s not enough. The free agent market is pretty weak right now, so they will likely have to wait until June 1st or perhaps even later.

    Outside of Cotchery and Keller, the next receiving option could be anyone. Chansi Stuckey is probably the best receiver of the group trying to replace Laveranues Coles, but his best fit is in the slot. David Clowney and Brad Smith should battle for the #2 receiver job. Give a slight edge to the speedy Clowney in this battle because he never really got a chance to produce while Smith has had numerous opportunities and has never taken advantage of them. Either way, the Jets will need at least two of them to step up and fill what appears to be a gaping hole on paper.

    Going forward, there are a number of different issues the Jets will need to address, but I’m sure Mike Tannenbaum didn’t expect runningback to top the list. But Thomas Jones and Leon Washington have skipped OTA’s hoping for new contracts. Washington has a case, as he has clearly outperformed his rookie contract and he is a restricted free agent after the year. Jones signed a contract knowing full well that his 2009 salary would be much lower than the previous two seasons. It makes sense that he would want a new deal as he’ll be 31 years old opening day. He wants to get one final big payday.

    Will the Jets give them new deals? I’d be shocked in Jones's case. Tannenbaum could get creative to appease him, but it’s more likely that nothing happens. On the other hand, Washington deserves a deal, and while $5-$6 million dollars a year may be a little high considering the bargain price the Jets have him at now, I can't see the Jets not appeasing him, whether it's in the next few months or during the season.

    The bigger battle at runningback will be between Danny Woodhead, Jehuu Caulcrick, and Brannan Southerland for a 5th runningback spot if there is one. Jesse Chatman is gone, and the three backs all have promising skillsets. Woodhead, the former college rushing leader, has reportedly been impressive in OTA's, but is there room for a fourth halfback, especially one as undersized as he is? One of these guys will need to show some promise on special teams.

    The receiver position might not be resolved for a while. The Jets seem content with Clowney, Smith, and Stuckey battling for the job, but they also said they were happy with Kellen Clemens at quarterback. Chances are the Jets will continue to evaluate the troika, and if none of the three steps up, specifically Clowney or Smith, then there’s a good chance a veteran will be brought in.

    The most interesting name is Plaxico Burress, especially considering the Jets have already shown preliminary interest. He comes with a lot of baggage, and he is likely facing either a suspension, a jail sentence, or both, but if he is available to play this season, he would be a perfect fit next to Jerricho Cotchery. Would he be a long-term solution? Doubtful, but as a stop-gap, getting someone with that type of talent would be a great move. Other options include Amani Toomer and Marvin Harrison, but I only see a veteran being brought in if there is a major bargain or if the current receivers disappoint the coaching staff.

    As for quarterback, while it would be ideal to have a veteran mentor Mark Sanchez, there really isn't much available at this point. Brian Schottenheimer and Matt Cavanaugh will have to teach the rookie the ropes, as it is unlikely anyone is brought in barring injury.

    What should we expect from this offense? Ball control. Cotchery and Keller should give the quarterback a comfort level in the passing game, but the meat of the offense, like Baltimore's last year, will come from the running game. Jones, Washington, and Greene have diverse running styles, and the offensive line was quite productive last year. If the line stays healthy, the offense will be fine. There isn't a ton of upside unless Sanchez or Clemens dramatically exceeds expectations. But down the line, Sanchez, Washington, Greene, Cotchery, and Keller provide a nice nucleus. All that's left is one more receiver.
     
  3. Sandman

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    With the drafting of yet another first round lineman can someone evaluate the state of our line who is more knowledgeable than me? on paper we should have a good line to give time to fields.

    Im interesed to see who people thing our starting line will be?

    Vera Tucker
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    and??
     
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    holy time machine batman!
     
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  6. AtlantaJet

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    The biggest question is can Tyler Engstrand design an offense that harnesses the running abilities of Justin Fields?? Detroit's offense was built around a quick release pocket passer, Fields is the complete opposite.
     
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    Right, good point

    I expect a run heavy offense with lots of RPOs and read-option type plays…we haven’t really had a QB who can get a lot of rushing yards (Zach was athletic but didn’t really use that part of the game), so we may also see plenty of called QB runs as well.

    Will be interesting to see but if AG is true to his claim of molding the scheme to the players’ talents, it’ll probably be a lot of that and also hopefully plenty of quick one-read plays where Fields can either pop it out to an open RB or TE and if it’s not there, take off with it

    We may see some nice big hits on broken plays if the defense comes up to stop the run and GW can get free of the constant double teaming I’m expecting he’ll see being as we have nobody else for the defense to worry about across from him
     
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  9. Sandman

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    well if we are going to have a more mobile line are we set up for that? Time will tell and we seem to have some good peices. This is what Im wondering though and if we can see some more creative plays with a mobile QB and a solid Line. Two good TE's and several good RB's but we are still light at WR.
     
  10. James Hasty

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    Simpson is 27.

    He started at guard last year.
     
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    David Clowney sighting.
     
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  12. Nyjets4eva

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    We don’t even know if we have one good TE yet. I really can’t wait to see what we do in the draft next year because we didn’t do much in terms of playmakers. Let’s hope Mason Taylor can be a spark plug year one
     
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    Ya know I was concerned about that too but I was surprised to read that Engstrand actually has a longer history with Jim Harbaugh influenced offenses than he does with Ben Johnson/Detroit Lions.

    Harbaugh brought the running RPO to the NFL to new heights with Kaepernick so Engstrand would have some mentorship there... on top of what they actually did together at San Diego U and Michigan, not knowing specifically about the systems they ran there
     
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    Well it’s all a blank slate now…new coaches, new GM, etc.

    I hope we finally have a good combo … I have more faith in AG and Steve Wilks getting the defense to play well than I do on offense, but that’s because we are so new there

    I’m still more pessimistic than optimistic on this team for 2025 just due to yet another defensive rookie HC, a new rookie OC, a QB on his third team who I never really liked on draft day anyway, and while I did love the OT pick to finally hopefully fix our OL, I would have loved to see a better WR drafted, but hey, I’m no scout…

    So my outlook is hoping for the best but honestly not expecting much out of this offense or this team.

    Hope I’m wrong
     
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  16. FloridaMan

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    I think it will be rough early in the season. Then, if the coaching is really good, we will see improvement as the season progresses. We'll see...
    Same for the defense.
     
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    Well we're into our first year of maybe 4yrs, of our annual culture change.

    Nothing has happened in the draft or free agency, that has much merit, the only thing they have to con us on is Justin Fields.
    Usually I'll get a delusional fantasy that this new regime is going to explode us into something respectable, my optimism and excitement is 0
     
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    Yah I’m at about the same spot…not overly optimistic and not super excited expecting a winning season honestly…I think we will be a mediocre team like we’ve been for years…probably in the 4-6 wins range, maybe get lucky and hit 7 wins, but not likely.

    Didn’t love hiring a defensive rookie HC. Loved the first two draft picks but non-committal on the rest of the draft, I still feel like our WR room sucks outright balls, I have no idea if the rookie OC is going to be any good, don’t have a lot of optimism for Justin Fields…I just don’t see a winning team.

    And while I get that baby steps is a more reasonable expectation, and if we can at least become more competitive that’d be a step in the right direction, I just feel like I’m getting older and I’m just so sick of the continual 3-4 year rebuild cycle…I’m just tired of it. And while I love that many here are seeing something different in AG with the no nonsense approach or accountability approach or whatever, there’s not really much concrete stuff to get behind and believe that ok, THIS time will be different.

    I hope it is…but this movie we’ve all seen before and the ending always sucks
     
  19. Dierking

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    I want to see an offense that looks like it practices running actual plays during the week before the game.

    The bar is really that low for me.
     
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    I actually think it’ll be the opposite. I think because Defenses won’t really know exactly what we’re gonna do (no historical tape in what an Engstrand offense will actually look like), and add the fact that with preseason cut down so much teams and players are just generally sloppy for the first few games, I think we will actually have good success running the ball early. I think come week 6 or 7 we’re gonna start sputtering on offense as teams have more tape on our schemes.
     
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