I'm sure that's your most desired outcome for '26 but its probably not gonna go down like that so, stay salty.
I don’t think it’s the only factor but race is 100% a factor in all of this even if it’s subconscious. I never saw the word “entitled” thrown around about a prospect as much as it is with him. I get that Wilson and Rosen weren’t as flashy as Shedeur with streaming on social media and crap, but they didn’t even catch all the flack Shedeur has caught for coming from money.
Did they flash a Rolex after the game? I am 20 minutes from Boulder. I have a friend who knows one of the people who deals with the NIL stuff at CU. She said Hunter was a great kid always respectful and nice. Sheduer was always an asshole, entitled. Deion had the talent to back it up, his sons don’t.
I'm going to stop reading this thread with your post right here. If that kid had gone in the 1st round he would have been out of the league before his 5th year option finished. Now, he has a chance...........to be a career backup. He has the tools and the skillset to be a career backup. The ONLY reason this kid was even mentioned as a 1st round pick is because of who is dad is. End of story. I'm done talking about him. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but it's VERY clear 32 teams were on the same page I was. Can we now, please, stop talking about Sanders?
He was mentioned as a 1st round pick because of the hype machine they created, using Deion’s high profile along with algorithm’s to constantly put Shadeur in front of people in reels, articles, posts, you name it. It worked on the masses, but not on scouts. Listen, given there are not 32 men on the planet that play QB at an elite level, there is zero chance that teams would collude or discriminate on any player that actually shows franchise QB skills on tape. Zero. CLE previously signed a rapist and guaranteed all his money so he could pay off all the civil cases and keep them quiet. We handed a 40+ yo Aaron Rodgers over a hundred million and signed all his buddies as players and coaches just trying to hit that franchise QB sauce for one or 2 years. Nobody is boxing Shadeur out because of his daddy or his attitude, they’re boxing him out because they don’t think he possesses elite skills. If they did then they’d be signing him, his daddy, and whoever the hell else he wants. All that attention is a money machine, especially wrapped around a franchise QB.
This is where the surrounding hype machine stuff, and people like Mel Kiper who make a living feeding in to it, tends to blur out important reality points that actually matter. Because you state that as if the whole entitlement concern, at least from the scouting pov, is just rooted in the fact he's coming from money. And that is simply not true. There has been random scounting reports/leaks like the such popping up for a while now: NFC Scouting Director: "When you hear all the anecdotal stories about the person, it's not that he's a bad kid. He has been so insulated. It's going to be a culture shock when he really learns how a locker room really operates and how it really works inside a building. He's had so much input on the offensive game plan and who the coach is, and everything's been catered to him. When you walk in one of these [NFL] buildings, no one's going to give a s*** about that. No one cares who your dad is. You're going to have to end up fighting through some adversity. The plays aren't going to be called to exactly what you want to run. Even last year with [Colorado offensive coordinator Pat] Shurmur, a lot of the mistakes he made was stuff that he just decided to call at the line of scrimmage himself, and there's no recourse of him making those decisions. Whereas, in a real locker room, you make a couple of those decisions, you get your ass ripped so bad that you never want to do it again." For a QB prospect who can't run, isn't wowing anybody with the arm, wasn't killing it against higher level competition, and has a highlight tape where a fair chunk of it needs the game slowed down to look as good as it does in the clip....the daddy stuff isn't just a non factor concern to be pushed aside. It's another piled on and legit con concern going in to the total projection picture.
Who is going to have more career touchdowns in the NFL: Arian Smith the 4th round receiver that can’t catch or Shadeur Sanders the 5th round QB with all the controversy?
because I'm even lower on Sanders than I was some of the other QB's in this draft.. Including Will Howard, Kyle McCord, Jax Dart. I'm not a league guy obviously but as a fan that really gets into draft stuff. I'm not surprised that he was the 5-6 QB taken in this draft, and it has everything to do with his arm talent. The extra stuff really didn't help him, but his arm talent alone. Not NFL caliber. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm extremely glad we didn't waste a pick on him.
I don't think Sanders is a starter in this league. So.. I'm going with the kid that can't catch. At least you can teach that. You can't teach arm talent.
I mean he did get drafted to a developmental death sentence team, and as a 5th round pick isn't likely going to get the same amount of extended sunk cost fallacy rope in the event he struggles out the gate. Could come and go quicker then Johnny Football there. Can I choose follow up pick #111 Ty Robinson's career sacks there as my answer?
You are barely wrong my friend. You know football. All good here. Let's now root and pray for Fields.
In this country race, unfortunately, does permeate everything and I’m sure you’re correct about it being some factor here. I will say this: I don’t remember another draft prospect putting stipulations on training camp and how a team should be run if he’s going to play. Even if I feel he was a big time NFL talent I would still be reticent to take him after hearing that. The last kid I remember saying something like that was Elway when he forced the Colts to trade him when he flat out said he wouldn’t play for them. And I’m an old man so if there are other instances feel free to refresh my failing memory. Elway had the juice to get away with that as his talent was evident and took him to HOF. Sanders, talent wise, is no Elway
Kind of an apples and oranges comparison. A top QB will throw over 30 TDs in a season while a top WR will catch less than 20. That is assuming both rise to the top level of their game. But I understand what you're getting at. If you look at Sanders' numbers his Sr. year, they are on par or better than most QBs taken in the first round the last five years. Based on that alone, he was deserving of a first round rating. So why did he fall from grace? From what I read it started with the Giants. He was given an assignment and he failed to complete it prior to the interview with Daboll. A red flag went up and apparently when a red flag goes up, it goes up across the league. Maybe he just didn't want to play for the Giants or in NY (on Dad's advice?) and this was his way of forcing the issue, I don't know for sure. If true, he probably wouldn't have wanted to play for the Jets either. Anyway, a moot point now.
That’s a silly comparison, but a funny one! It sucks I’m old and have a bad memory, I’d love to remember this 10 years from now. Chances are they’ll both be out of the league by then.
I seen a tweet on X from last season from his Dad saying there would be no way on earth his son would play for the Browns, maybe not quite in those words but close enough, a tad ironic really.
What do you mean he wasn’t killing it against higher level competition? He was tops in all statistical categories in a power 4 conference and lead the Buffaloes to 1 of 2 winning seasons in 20 years. All of the posted is all well and fine but I never heard any of this about Johnny Manziel or the other two mentioned. Manziel was the poster child for being a massive douchebag in the pre draft process and I never once heard the word entitled mentioned with him.
it was just a question and yeah it’s very rare for 4th and 5th round picks to play more than 10 years in the league so they will definitely both be out of the league by then
I saw that too and it was funny/ironic. I do believe it was from 2018 though. Shadeur was 16 then and the Browns were 0-16
Ah, my mistake, I did just presume it was a more recent tweet. I guess it makes more sense at 0-16 or the Jets
Also Jeff Ulbrich’s kid was the one behind the Shadeur Sanders prank call. He’s as dumb as his father
