TBH Fields is the ultimate playground player. He's not great at running a system. He constantly wants to improvise and, honestly, he is pretty good at it. It can win games, but not in the playoffs. He could get us there though - with some help and good defense.
Well I think part of the problem is that Fields has played in a million systems already since he’s entered the league and it’s made it difficult for him to be comfortable in the confines of a structured offense. It doesn’t make it any better for us that he’s within another system yet again but it’s always harder to get such great raw athletes at QB to play within the structure especially when it’s constantly changing. The Jets just need to run a conservative play action type of offense that features him in the run gun and lets him throw deep. We have a good infrastructure to do that with our stable of running backs and hopefully they add some beef on the line/at tightend before the start of the season.
He did very little improvisation in Arthur Smith’s high powered offensive system last year. So whose great offensive system did Fields fail to run properly because of his uncontrollable need to improvise? Was it Bill Lazor’s or Luke Getsy’s?
I looked at Field's scouting report from 2021. It said he needed time and good coaching to develop at the next level. Time he's had but I don't know if he has played in a system that took advantage of his skills. He has the arm and legs to play the position and is probably one of the best athletes at QB in the NFL. Unlike the Bears situation and Steelers both teams were under pressure to win right away. The Jets can win but will settle for improvement. You can't teach talent and he has plenty of it. Let's see if they can coach him up.
I have little faith in Fields as a passer but I'm intrigued by how we might use him as a runner. Ideally, you want a QB who is good at actually passing the ball, but we've had so little success on offense over the past decade that I'll take yards however we can get them.
I've pointed this out a lot in the past, but reading through the last few pages of the "nothing between his ears and kid can't throw" stuff it's worth repeating again. Justin Field's last 10 games tape in 2023 looks really good when you take a deep dive into watching it, and with at least with some accompanying acknowledgement to all the fail happening around him. Put that taking a step forward player on Washington last year with Kingsbury as his great fit OC and there is a good chance you get the Jayden Daniels type outcome imo. I said it last year before Daniels "break out" happened.....coaching and OC fits matter. You can't just lazily gloss past that. Justin Fields Last 16 games started: 18/6 TD-Int ratio 8 rushing td 3142 passing yards 779 rush yards 63.7% comp 93.1 passer rating Patrick Mahomes's 2024 16 game regular season: 26/11 TD-Int ratio 2 rushing td 3928 passing yards 307 rush yards 67.5% comp 93.5 passer rating Again, it's probably not likely to happen here with Engstrand in my own fairly pessimistic take of our 2025 outlook. But if/when Fields ends up in a better then league worst to faily mediocre support system the room for expected improvement levels there can potentially end up looking pretty damn solid imo.
Agree with everything except for your opinion of Engstrand. We actually do not know exactly how deep his capabilities are and what he can eventually grow into. It is absolutely not a forgone conclusion that he can not develop into a top OC, far from it. Just because he did not go with Johnson is absolutely not an indicator, and if he did he would have never had the chance to call his own plays. We shall see three years down the road.
New 1st-time GM, new 1st-time HC, new work in progress QB, and coming off several years of poor coaching with little discipline. You can almost bet it will be a rough start for the Jets this season. The important thing is to see improvement as the season progresses.
My two cents. I don’t know what most of the Jets fan base expects, but rest assured, you don’t change 20 years of dysfunctional behavior and performance over night. It will be a rough ride, but it starts by properly shaping the mindset of where this organization need to be and execute a long term plan to get there. Quick band aid fixes with end of career HOF players lathered with massive contracts, inferior CS staff on both sides of the ball, catering to a couple of players and expecting a miracle was clearly not the way to go. We should only expect a disciplined team on the field and steady, small improvements.
I don't know why people thought this team was just a few players away from being contenders. This purge had to happen as the formula up to this point produced very little in the way of success, just headlines. Systematically, we're not far from being an expansion team. New everywhere and just a few holdovers from the clownshow that used to be the NYJ's. Its another setback. I get that. But it was necessary to really start over and that includes the purge of employees not on the field. I was hoping the Scouting Dept. got flushed as well but so far it hasn't happened. I get the feeling if this draft is another one with few legitimate additions? They're gone in '26.
I get the feeling that AG will do a far better job at developing draft players and putting them in a position to win by changing the schemes to fit the players. We have a few examples of draft candidates and free agents that went elsewhere and did well.
Because Joe Douglas and Bob Saleh lied and told them it was to buy themselves more time by signing Rodgers.
Why do you have that feeling about AG? I’m not trying to be a dick…I’m curious as to what’s driving that feeling. I get HOPING he does a better job than the others before him. I hope that too. But as yet another first time DC being paired with yet another first time GM hire, it’s not like we have a track record to look back on. It’s not like his Detroit defenses were top 2 or 3 in the league. We don’t have another HC stint to look back on. Personally, I do like that Parcells spoke very highly of AG…that carries some weight with me. But he wouldn’t be the first coach to be supported by a HOF guy who turned out not to be all that….shit, we’ve had Gase and Hacket both backed by HOF QBs and yet we all knew they were shit coaches… So you never know…I hope after 20 years we finally get it right, but you never know…Woody’s track record sucks balls and to see us just do the same exact thing that has failed every time before is just super frustrating to me I hope you’re right and he does well, but I’m skeptical
I don't blame you for being skeptical. I am hesitant to believe however, at some point you either have to risk believing OR walk away for good. I think the biggest difference between AG and Saleh is that AG isn't interested in making friends with the players, the media or anyone else. You got the feeling Saleh was not in charge but instead simply a placeholder. There is no doubt AG is the shotcaller now. He's already invited anyone that didn't want to get on board to get gone ASAP. Saleh would NEVER had had the balls to come accross as The Boss. This in itself is refreshing. AG is putting it all on him. JD always provided a soft landing for Saleh. There is no such soft landing safe place for AG. Either this works, or AG is out. No safety net.
Some of thought this because some of us are suckers when it comes to football and listened to the BS of the Jets front office and coaching staff. I consider myself one of those suckers.
Most of us got suckered in. With Saleh and his feel good slogans, JD riding his rep from Philly and Ozzie down in B'more. We just knew we turned the corner. Sometimes shit just doesn't work out. We're fans after all and usually wish for only good things to happen. Those wishes have been wasted so far. All we can do is hope AG can at least get us pointed in the right direction. Its either that or the Fanbase just checks out and goes into apathy mode. Woody really doesn't want to see that happen and I'm sure FO and CS doesn't want that either. I'm at the point now that I follow the Jets as my favorite team but I am far from being a "Fanatic". Too many losing seasons man...
AG seems like he's tough but fair. He's a motivator, but also will criticize when necessary. I have high hopes for his success as a head coach. We'll see.....
Well, I might be wrong, but like his philosophy, the no shit attitude, above all his approach to change the schemes to fit the players, but far more important defining exactly the kind of player he wants, and putting the responsibility on the coaches to develop players up to the next level, not just coach them, and changing the schemes to fit the talent we have. That approach between AG and Mooge is the antithesis of what the previous regime stood for. In my opinion we absolutely did not develop talent to the next level, never change the schemes, and God forbid, moving a player to a different position that was best suited for him. Case in point was with Becton, never taking the time to coach him up and develop him, and move him to G where he seems to strive. Also the best players play philosophy was non existing in the prior regime. We stuck with the senior players till the season was way over.
Hell, having a COMPETENT O-Line coach might just result in 2 or 3 wins all by himself! Let's face it, Saleh will continue to be a fantastic DC. Much like Josh McDaniels is a much better OC than he is HC, Saleh simply doesn't have the "attitude." You can just tell that being players' buddy is much more important to him than being their boss. You DO get the sense that AG is going to take NO shit from anybody. He was that was as a player, if folks remember. No bullshit.
