Jets have announced they are moving on from Rodgers

Good coaches like Tomlin rejuvenate players and make average players good, than you got the Jets who ruin hall of famers and great players careers.

 

Yep and it's funny how a few weeks ago all the Rodgers haters said no one would want him and he would be lucky to find a team because he's uncoachable and likes to do tv interviews.

Then reality struck and two of the best coaches in the league that were just in the playoffs want Rodgers. Tv interviews is to much for the Jets but not to much for successful coaches and organizations.

That's the difference between the Jets and winning.

 

Poor Echol's thread gets shifted to an obscure part of the forum but hey here is ex jet Rogers

Hopefully you will FO to which ever team Rogers signs up with.

 

ffs I never actually posted that comment; I typed it out and didn't post it lol

Forgot it sometimes logs it and drops them in on your next post, I guess it could have been a lot worse, some of the things I've typed out and changed my mind on

 

Yeah man.

 

Woody Johnson is why the Jets will remain the Jets while the winning teams remain winning teams.

Unfortunately for us.

 

He's still Aaron Rodgers.

I know difficult to believe about Hackett. Further evidence that Woody Johnson is really the one calling all the shots here.

I don't know about Aaron Glenn or this new regime. They're getting their chance same as all the other coaches and executives that have passed through here.

I'm not feeling them. Coach Glenn isn't coming here on a high note. That was the best team the Detroit Lions have ever had, #1 seed then his unit completely no shows in their first playoff game dsigraceful. I'm of the belief the HC in Detroit would've considered firing Glenn if Woody hadn't made him the HC here it was that bad.

Also Coach Glenn is a former Jets player yet I can't forget him opting to retire as a Houston Texan despite having played the majority of his career with the Jets.

GM Mougey didn't even get to hire the HC AND they have a former GM Spielman working under him also helped run the search to hire him. It's a very odd setup and gives the impression if Mougey gets the axe at some point Spielman will be named the GM.

Time will tell how things play out.

 

Of course and thats why winning coaches want him while jets fans who want to pin 100% of the blame on him do not.

Tomlin knows that the Jets were one of the worst coached teams in NFL history last year.

 

Tomlin wants Rodgers for the basically the same reason the Jets/Woody bent over to get him here. He's desperate, out of answers on how to actually go about fielding a competent offense, and at this point is throwing up the same magic bullet fix hail mary we just did.

I get it man. You don't like the decision to move on from Rodgers. Especially given we'll be paying for him to upgrade somebody else as we downgrade our own team and offense in 2025. I didn't like it either. But you are reaching pretty hard going down this defensive reasoning road.

I'll also point this out again. Only one of those 2 teams you keep referring to seem capable of running competent playoff team offenses, and it's not actually clear they want Rodgers yet. If that was a given he'd likely be signed by now imo.

 

What do you mean we will be paying for him? He does not get a single cent from us this season, none of 2025 salary was guaranteed.

And I doubt the offense will be downgraded either. We finished #25 in scoring while having starting QB all 17 games, while others played a back-up, AND adding an extra 1000 yard WR. This is not good at all. I am not convinced we will be worse this year, even though it will be tough to get another good WR.

 

I wanted Rodgers gone cause of his attitude if the jets actually had a plan, fields is not a plan he’s a stopgap like Rodgers was, once again the jets had no plan, have no plan and will never have a plan at the qb position, to think a first time defensive coordinator coach will strike lightning in a bottle with Justin fields is just moronic, at best Justin fields will play like a average qb at worst the jets will further ruin his career like they did with every other young qb they ever had

 

If it makes you feel better to get caught in the contract structure technicalities, and use that to dismiss away the $23.5m and $35m cap hits for Rodgers we'll be on the hook for the next 2 years while watching him play elsewhere (i'm expecting that Minny or PItt contract to be very 2024 Russ'like directly because of that btw), I'm honestly not looking to argue those semantic values with you.

As far as your consistent claims you been making about 2025 being "better"...in the end I have same core problem with that that I basically had within the countless pre-2024 season debates we had on Rodgers. The entire foundation of your positive spin take IMO is buying too heavily into a line of overhype BS I don't actually expect you, or most of this fanbase for that matter, to end up standing behind a year from now if/when it falls on it's face. Which is probably the heavy favorite outcome on the reality board right now, again imo, once we move past the said BS and start actually focusing in the fact that this new build seems pretty damn eerily similar to the last one. With all the same surrounding question marks. Still have a Woody. We replaced one good defensive head coach with no answers to offer the offense with another that hopefully does as good on defense. And we literally have no real idea on whether the OC we hired is even going to be any more qualified then Hackett was for the task being laid at his feet.

I ultimately don't have the problem with the decision to go full tear it down rebuild here. I have a problem with the people cheering it on without making any real acknowledgement that in doing so things like the offense in particular are likely to look/feel worse in 2025 before it might get better latter.

 

If Tomlin wants him then why isn’t he signing him

 

Yeah…I’ve also been saying the same thing…we literally are doing THE EXACT SAME THING now that we just tried with Saleh and JD. Exactly the same.

Rookie HC who was a DC with no offensive experience? Check

Rookie GM? Check…except this time the candidate doesn’t really have the resume/pedigree that the last guy did having worked with Balt and Philly….though seeing how that worked out for us maybe it doesn’t really matter?

Rookie OC? Check

This is NO different. And there WERE other options. We could’ve had a GM with experience in Dimitroff or even Robinson from Tennessee (I would have been happy to hire Dimitroff).

There were offensive candidates…we didn’t even bother. I would’ve talked to Kingsbury…creative offensive guy with HC experience. I would’ve talked have talked to a couple of the other hot OC guys as well. I for sure would’ve put out a request to Ben Johnson and let him decline publicly…shit, I would’ve talked to McCarthy again…is he the guy to take us to a Super Bowl? I don’t know, but he’s been there before and he won plenty of games with Dallas and got them into the playoffs. Would’ve been nice to have that experience.

And so here we are…rebuilding YET AGAIN in the same way that’s failed multiple times before…it failed with Herm, Mangini, Bowles, Saleh…Rex at least had some good success but he couldn’t field a good enough offense and it did us in. But out of all those defensive first time HCs we hired, he is the only one worth a damn. And yet we are doing the same shit again.

I have no idea if Glenn will be the guy to break the losing streak, but I’m not overly hopeful he will…and hoping that this staff can make a serviceable QB out of Fields is a bit of a stretch. Dude is what he is…a good athlete but not a very good QB, who doesn’t see the field well enough to be a top QB…he is not the guy to read a D and tear it up. So we best hope our rookie OC can create a creative game plan for a running QB that includes RPO’s, quick reads, etc.

This is not a slam dunk by any means…and more likely to lead to another losing season. Again. Let’s hope that THIS TIME, our coaches actually have a clue on offense …

 

These are not semantics. Statements like you and some others generally are making that we are paying him not to play for us or paying him to improve someone else are fundamentally wrong and are used to make a point that therefore is completely invalid. The moment we machinated Rodgers' CAP figure to be say 10 mil in 2023 when his actual salary was 35, we saved on 25 mil of, and that pushed 25 mil CAP number down the road. Do this one more time in 2024 and we pushed total of 50 mil (49 to be exact) down the road. Meaning, this # is because we saved on CAP vs his actual salary IN THE PAST, and ultimately CAP figure needs to match real money we paid. Meaning, if say we kept him for one more year and 35 mil, these 49 CAP accounting #s would be ADDED to whatever salary he would make. They are not going away, these are sins (CAP savings) of the past which we ultimately need to pay up.

Think of it as CAP debt. This has absolutely nothing to do with Pitts. If they sign Rodgers for 35 mil (and we are not subsidizing this by a single penny), every dollar of that 35 mil will be under their CAP accounting, which they will not be able to give us, and they will figure out how to manage every penny of it themselves, whether to take it right away, or manipulate to split for future by adding void years. For us, we saved on CAP before, we collected debt, and we have to pay that debt whether he is here or not. What Mooge did was split it with June 1 designation into 14 mil this year, and 35 next. These will be the numbers on June 1st. But this has absolutely nothing to do with Pitts or if he retires or anything else. It is not like Russ situation last year where Seattle actually paid Russ full salary (not just CAP accounting), and Pitts got him for veteran's minimum, which otherwise they wouldn't. Seattle drastically subsidized Pitts. We are not doing any of this.

I am not looking to argue semantics, but I do hope I clarified fundamental concepts here, which were completely misrepresented earlier. As far as the offense, you have a problem with with people saying we might be better than 25th rated offense? This is a very low bar. Now, are we guaranteed to be better? Of course not - and for the reasons some of which you mentioned. But I also would like to believe that we should expect better. 25th is a low bar to clear, even if by a little bit, and I would expect and hope we do that sooner rather than later. Now I acknowledge if Engstrand sucks, we will not clear it. But that would mean we hired wrong people again, and I am not ready to admit it just yet, even though I was not happy Woody only interviewed defensive guys.

 

It really is the Hackett thing all over for me. It's there and plain as day to see. But instead of anybody acknowledging it and just like then everybody is choosing to only focus in on the "good vibes' into presser Glenn had. As if the latest guy coming in telling us he wanted to be here and that "WE ARE BUILT FOR THIS SHIT" stuff will simply magic wand all that surrounding concern away any more the it did for the last guy. Or the guy before that.

In an ideal world we wanted to hire Ben Johnson. Since we (understandably) couldn't do that we instead hired the no real tangible experience guy who Detroit didn't think highly enough to offer him the job as Ben's replacement. Take a sec and let that really sink in. Like...really? To come in and fix the mess on offense here?

Say what you want about Rodgers, or whether or not pulling the plug was the best move for a new regime coming in, but having him at QB was hands down the best and most interesting thing about watching this team play football games last year. With that gone it's going to be a step backwards. Probably back to Zach Wilson levels of cringe and which might even look worse since we apparently have a league worst level running game now nobody saw coming last year.

 

No one is saying it is a slam dunk. And we are in agreement the interview process was same shit as before at the end of the day, and Woody hired defensive HC again, which was a predictable outcome. The hope is that he accidentally stumbled into someone good this time in Glenn. Which is what I am hoping for. If he didn't, we will be looking for a coach and a GM very soon again. But at least for now I am giving benefit of the doubt and want to see how it plays out. I think they moves the Jets are making are decent starting with Fields. I am concerned we downgraded WR, but hope we can get something better there later on. There are other holes to fill too.

But with all that said, if this regime is good, I want to see us be competitive even if we don't make play-offs, kind of like Detroit was in their second year, but starting now, because we do have some talent o the roster. A lot of it will come down to coaching. And also if the QB (Fields) sucks as many say, then we will have a pretty high pick next year to draft one. I do want to see good coaching though or we are fucked regardless.

 

My kid college fund says this will basically be the fallback rally call come Jan/Feb and if/when it becomes clear we didn't upgrade from the Hackett offense.

Shame it ain't happening this year either from a personal player standpoint too imo, as that would of dramatically increased the liklihood imo of Fields working out and turning his career around here. If Fields totally bottoms out in a completely deadbeat offense this year i don't know if he gets another extended starter chance defaulted to him.