IMHO I truly believe that moving into this year, even with Fields getting up to speed with the new CS J. Fields + young hungry talent base + no kidding running game +AG and a disciplined CS >>>>>>>>better than AR + a mediocre, predictable running game +that joke of a CS in 2024. Let us hope the J&J family with all their meddling does not screw it up.
frustrating listen, the guy has a little bit of an idea what he is talking about but seems like he never actually played qb himself. or coached it. first drive he fails to mention that the right tackle completely blows his assignment because he assumed that the de would bite on oz run action and he didnt. then later in the drive hes talking about a throw to a very well covered guy as if its a huge miss. the idea in the outer red zone is DONT TURN THE BALL OVER NO MATTER WHAT and the qb throws a ball where only his guy has the ability to catch it and misses by 6 inches. i know overall he was positive on fields but he was frustrating enough to listen to that i stopped after that point.
i know i said it on here when fields was in the draft, but i really really like this guy. he was on qb1 a number of years ago when he was a sr in high school and was just a really great kid who you wanted to root for. that is precisely why i didnt want him to get drafted by the jets because you know what the jets do with rookie qbs. maybe now after playing in the league for a few years and having struggles he will be able to come in here and have the cs put together a plan that he can execute and be the kind of qb i have always hoped he would be. either way he is the first qb the jets have had in quite some time. maybe pennington that i really and truly like. and i am happy to have that happen finally. bonus is if he doesnt pan out we arent stuck with him forever we would have a huge qb cap hit but just for 1 year.
I like Justin Fields a lot. He is explosive. He is big and strong. He is elusive when running. I don’t like his delivery, but he made some nice throws in Pittsburgh. I am actually confused why they benched him in the first place at (4-2) and even more puzzling why they didn’t go back to him when Wilson and the Steelers offense looked terrible down the stretch.
You are in fact completely wrong about TJ on both playing AND coaching accounts. Tim Jenkins did play QB in College and was signed by the Rams at some point, though never made 53. He also coached various College QBs, some of whom also had NFL stints. I am almost positive he has more QB playing/coaching credentials than anyone here. He is definitely a good analyst, and he takes his time studying film. If you look at his reviews I posted, there are some games where he and O'Sullivan and Kurt Warner analyzed same games with very similar outcomes. He is legit and has good reputation. And even if you do not want to listen to him, you can analyze all 22 yourself, just turn down the volume
Tomlin is good a defensive coach and he is likes to think he is the smartest guy in the room. He was gloating when Russ started well that he was the only guy who wanted to bench Fields and he turned out to be right. Well, at the end of the day he was wrong, but could not admit it and bench Russ. He had to finish the year living with his decision. After the year was over, Pitts wanted Fields back, but looks like Fields rightfully told them to fuck themselves for benching him. Their loss is our gain.
Even more confusing is them wanting him back in free agency after doing all that. Pittsburgh really does behave like their shit don’t stink.
The fundamental flaw to this whole take, and your follow up one here for that matter, is that it basically fails to comprehend the fact that QB production isn't something that happens in a player controlled vacuum. You basically sound like the guy talking about Baker Mayfield 2 years ago, or Sam Darnold prior to last year, or Gino Smith prior to getting his shot in Seattle. Focusing in exclusively on surface level stats, and while trying to simplify down something that realistically isn't that simple within your "he sucks" take. A take that simply dismisses the fact that all 3 of those guys were drafted into and got opportunity stuck to the league's worst and habitual loser teams. Before finally getting a more competence driven opportunity elsewhere, one Justin Fields still hasn't gotten to this day mind you, and running to QB1 status with it. Like i said in 2023 when we should have been trying to bring in an OC like Kingsbury, and with people thinking it was crazy talk at the time to suggest hiring him + Marcus Mariota at QB was preferable to bringing in a 40yo Rodgers with a fraud OC....systems matter. Justin Fields' career likely looks a lot different today had he lucked into the same type of good fortune fit Jayden Daniels did last year. Not every young lottery pick QB gets that lucky. As a side note I also find it funny that nobody really seems to ever point out that for as much of a supposed slam dunk as it was for Chicago to pass up the trade haul and move on from Fields....Caleb Williams didn't really upgrade from what Fields was already doing there while being given notably less then Caleb was to do it. To me it would of been interesting to see how Fields would of done with the same level of GREATLY enhanced effort to put some real talent around him.
Look, you can have as much hope as you want, but that's exactly what it is at this point. You can THINK he's going to turn his career around, you can HOPE for that to happen, but right now he's a bad QB, period. There's no getting around it. I like the signing myself, I also have hope for him, but I also know for every Baker Mayfield there's 10,000 Mitch Trubisky's. To ASSUME he's going to turn his career around and then dog people for keeping it real is the idea I'm attacking.
You are not being objective. I understand he is not a top QB, but a BAD one? Did you get a chance to watch the all 22 I provided? He is not a bad QB at all. And led Pitt to better record than Russ too - 67 winning %, while rated solid in QBR, Passing rating, and even PFF.
Yes. Bad. He’s been on 3 teams in 4 years. You say he was so great and better than Russ in Pittsburgh, yet one of the best coaches in the league benched him and kept him benched all year long in favor of Russ, and then chose not to sign him back. There’s no other way to put this, I can’t even believe there’s an argument to be honest. I hope he turns it around and will be rooting for him, I’ve always liked his skill set, but unless something drastically changes this year he’s been a major bust.
Chose not to sign him? Your statement is not even accurate factually as numerous reports suggest otherwise. Fields spurned them, not the other way around. Also, Tomlin, who wins with his defense, benched him in spite of everyone telling him otherwise and was proven wrong as Russ delivered inferior winning % to Fields on the same team, and then he wanted Fields back.
Reminds me that in the Player's Association survey Jets players said the food needs improvement. Perhaps the answer to the fumbling situation can be found in the menu selection in the team kitchen.
Ah yes, everyone was fighting over him and his first choice was the Jets, as is every FA with options. You can tell in your post you dont even believe what you say because the only thing you can use as a metric as to why he's good is "winning percentage," instead of any other normal stat that has to do with a QB. Russ had more ppg when he was in, yards per game, passing touchdowns per game, passer rating, and every other stat which only measures the QB. Despite knowing this, you are championing winning percentage, a stat that makes no sense, especially considering when fields was in they played bad teams. Only one of his games was against a playoff team, and that was Denver in their rookie QB's second ever start. Pittsburgh's defense held those teams to 10, 6, 10, and 13 points. The moment the other team scored 17 or more they lost, because Fields stinks. He threw for yards in the 100's in 4 out of his 6 starts. That's awful. Meanwhile, Russ played Baltimore twice, Bengals twice, the Commanders, the Chiefs, the Eagles, etc. Your obsession with proving Fields is a good starter despite literally everything going against that is extremely weird to be honest.
I think there is a problem overall when the conversation revolves more about the qualifications of the reviewer than the performance of the player. It seems you are willing to devote much more time to watching film than just about everybody here, which is fine for you but I question why anyone should pay so much attention to the commentary of those of dubious distinction. Perhaps, as you say, the most honest way to watch such film is on mute without the need to judge the peanut gallery judging the player - think for yourself.
Now all the above said....coming here likely isn't that My first post in this thread started by stating I don't have a lot of current "hope" or assumption this will work out well for him. I mean at the end of the day we are the Jets. Changing the lipstick on the pig doesn't make it less of a pig. This realistically is and will remain a QB death sentence until a coaching room here actually proves capable of changing that ongoing narrative. My primary point is just to point out that not every QB get the same opportunities. What opportunities they get, and the quality of those opportunities, also tend to have a pretty dramatic impact on their career arcs too. Again, we have never even seen Fields play at the NFL level yet where he wasn't surrounded by either the arguable worst supporting offensive cast in the NFL, or last year's small sample run with Pittsburgh who was attempting to fix their own ongoing offensive problems by bringing in a "good ol boy" OC hire fresh off an abomination showcase in Atlanta. it's not like this has all been playing out in KC, Baltimore, SF, ect. Places with good systems in place to help people succeed, and where everybody isn't screaming for at least the head of the OC on a literal annual basis. I mean which of these Justin Fields seasons are you pointing to and saying "he was totally set up there with a system and coaching staff I'd support having, and should of done better"? If you don't have at least one is it really fair to define him as a failure or even define what the kid actually is yet?
Nobody needs a bean burrito in the pregame meal. Who would want to be in this huddle? www.google.com/search?sca_esv=cc2a4126488dadb8&udm=7&q=blazing+saddles+fart+scene&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-qq-1joaMAxXGFlkFHeJWHbYQ8ccDegQIDhAH&biw=1389&bih=671&dpr=1.38#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:65464f58,vid:1ARXuhoPsTc,st:0
He was 4-2 before he was replaced. He only started 6 games the other 4 games he had a total of 8 plays.
