Since someone always says it. I can think of another QB who was criticized for his arm strength a lot, and he won a few Super Bowls...
Chad is what he is. A mediocre Qb that will never be good enough to make the players around him better. They have to make him better. Because he is a class act they will not show him the door so my suggestion is we build a defense that can win it for us. Im a Jet's fan who's goal is to make it to the Superbowl and win. The only thing a first round Playoffs loss gets us is a worse draft pick than the Raiders. I want what we have not had since 1969 and that is a Championship. Not a first round beating from the Pats.
Couldve swore football was a team game....the Bears made it to the superbowl with an awful QB and a good defense. A qb doesnt make a team, a team makes a team. Were only gonna get better.
I'm as tired of the arm strength question as everyone is, but you know what? I saw the replay of our pick 6 too and I had the exact thought.
So what you are saying is we have to build a great defense to make up for our Bad Qb (Chad Pennington) because a team wins a Championship right? What you are saying is we should accept the fact that he is mediocre at best and look at improving other spots rather than the Qb because he is a good guy and we can win with him even though he is not good?
And that's why I posted. I know that it is the SAME argument that we have been having all along. But the juxtaposition of those two plays just made it SOO obvious how weak Chad's arm is, it was really shocking and a wake up call for me. Someone said that I should have not pointed this out because it was essentially the same route and that the strong arm got intercepted as well. But the truth is, the similarity of the plays is what's important. Chad threw a ball on that play that will be intercepted by anyone, Manning threw a ball that took an unbelievable play from Samuels to intercept. Wehn you look at it over a full season, you realize how much it limits us. No one, or at least me, is saying that you have to have an Elway, Marino or Cutler back there for arm strength, but in the end it does have to reasonable, and what that replay proved in my mind is that Chad is no longer even at the low end of acceptable arm strength.
I agree. I also agree with your assessment of the play on Pennington and Manning. The only thing I'd say is in Pennington's case, Samuel KNEW we were throwing and knew they were up 2 scores.... Deadly combo. I do, however, notice how Penningtons floated and Mannings was a rocket. Mannings is picked by 5% of the corners in the league. Penningtons? Probably 75%.
Yeah,we all want that,but after how well this season went when no one thought we'd do half this good,i think it's the wrong time to complain. Chad has led this team to the playoffs every season he has been healthy,and we were getting around 50 yards rushing per game this year. Again,wrong time to complain. There are other QBs on the roster and one happens to have this coveted rocket arm everybody wants so bad. if they are good enough they will beat him for the job. But i don't think so. After the season we just had,and Chad leading the team to the POs with pretty much no run game,the Chad threads are really ridiculous.
No, im saying that with an overall better team, key word being TEAM, not just the defense, but the offense also, cause they count as part of the team, were gonna be better. With better run blocking(which we should progress at) and another good back to share the load with Leon, comes a better running game. Lets not act like Chad is the only liability. And for all your bashing about Chad's play, he was able to help us win 10 out of 16 games when defenses knew he was gonna throw. They didnt respect our running game. With a bullseye on his back and defenses keying in on Chad, he got us(in part) to the playoffs. You think Ramsey wouldve done that or Clemens? IMO, its Chad's job unless someone steps up and takes it from him, simple as that. If hes playing god awful next season and theres someone who can outplay him, by all means make the switch, but dont just shit on him when we dont know the situation for next year. Mangini already said Chad's job isnt guaranteed, which i like simply because if youre not good enough, you shouldnt play.
Pennington struggled this year, but his running game was garbage. Get Chad a top-shelf RB and the offense could really take off. Penny may never have the zip that Manning or Brady have, but he's smart and a great QB nonetheless. It's a moot point anyway, the Jets have many much more pressing needs than QB.
I have great idea. Why don't the Jets upgrade the DEFENSE. We all know that defense wins titles. Wouldn't it be easier to use the cap money and the 3 picks the Jets have in the first two rounds to build a championship defense than to try and replace the starting QB (who has three playoff appearances and a 60% winning percentage without a championship defense) with an untested young QB in Clemens, a strong armed never will be in Ramsey, or someone else's trash? Where is this strong-armed, intelligent, mobile boy wonder you are all pining for????? Otherwise, I say Yawwwwwwwwwn to this topic. All anyone can talk about is arm strength. It's the same as drafting the workout warrior rather than the player that produces on the football field in college. I'll take the proven player over the workout numbers every time. And if you all are so smart, why aren't any of you coaching or consulting for an NFL franchise?
Cut Chad, start Clemens, and get this arm sh!t over with once and for all. *Man, I am sick of this joke.* And don't come back with "He still gives us the best chance to win for now..." BS. It's either this or that, but not both. *And I would hope the Bears pick him up when Chad does get cut.*
The point im trying to make is even if we have a great running game his inability to get the ball downfield plus his lack of Mobility limits the plays that the offense can use. It is really hard to run the ball when your looking at 8 in the box and the plays get busted up before they get a chance do develop because two linebackers are playing off of the line of scrimmage and the corners can play the wr's straight up. Even if we get a pro bowl caliber offensive line that will still not change this fact. Coles is to good for corners not to respect his speed and play him at the line.
These threads are getting ridiculous. Chad Pennington = Highest Winning Percentage in Jets History Period
You just gotta love some of these Jet fans. The guy comes back from an unprecedented two surgeries to his throwing shoulder, leads the team that was expected to win 4-5 games to 10 wins and the playoffs, is named Comeback Player of the Year, and people want to bitch that he doesn't put enough "zip" on the ball. Absolutely ridiculous. Watch the games and look at how he runs the offense, then go tally up our record with him and without him. Please.
The "record with him and without him" is a spurious claim. Almost any team is going to see a precipitous drop in performance when their starting QB goes down, especially when the guys replacing him are about as bad as they get. Quincy Carter is the best of the lot and he's not even in football anymore. To put a finer point on it, saying Pennington should remain the QB as long as he is the best option on the roster is reasonable, but to say that the Jets shouldn't be actively seeking to replace Pennington from either within or without because "they win with him and lose without him" is ridiculous.
Anyone should remain the starting anything as long as they remain the best option. But this constant yammering about Chad's arm and how it is setting us back has gone to ridiculous extremes. Now we're analyzing who throws a prettier interception? Come on. Get me a better QB and I'll be happy to see him play, but can we please stop with the nonsense? QB is the least of our problems.
It's not the weakest position on the roster but it certainly isn't the least of our problems. I do think the Jets should focus on OL/DL this draft/offseason and if Clemens is unable to unseat Pennington by the end of next year then it would be time to start looking very hard at the QB position.
If half the field is taken away because of our quarterbacks deficiencies and we have to build a gameplan around what Chad can't do then how is the position of QB not an issue.
