Your Head Coach choices for 2025

I don't see anyone in Minnesota complaining about him. It's possible he has learned.

Fitz shouldn't complain, Flores got the most out of that team when he was there with Fitz as QB.

 

I wanted an offensive minded coach but warming to the idea of giving Aaron Glenn a chance. I think he’s someone that the players would respect and rally behind. I wish it wasn’t woody and idk his son handling this. Like if there was a GM who he could kind of lay out what his offensive philosophy would be.

 

Flores was definitely a dick in Miami, but when all the Tua stuff came out I thought he had the mature and correct response, it was something along the lines of learning from past mistakes. He didn’t deny it, he owned up to it and also accepted it wasn’t the right thing to do. The worrisome response would’ve been like what Eric bienemy said when LeSean McCoy said similar things about him and bienemys response was essentially “I don’t care what other people say” or something to that effect. I think Flores response shows growth and good character. Bienemys did not.

 

I truly believe that Flores would alter his abrasive personality because a second HC job would be the end for him if he were to replicate that behavior here or somewhere else. I just really like the guy and what he would being to this pathetic, rudderless franchise. Saleh wanted to be buddies with everybody and coddle them, Flores isn't going to do that. He and Grier didn't see eye to eye, that's a good thing as Grier proved to be a terrible GM. The only concern I have is his record with OC, he had 3 different OC's in his 3 seasons in Miami...

 

We have to get past the ravens first!

On jets coaches, it’s difficult because I know of no one other than Rex or Glenn that want the job, so the jets may not get any of their top choices. I will say that whoever it is needs to be a tough SOB and not back down to either ownership or the media. They need a spine. Guys like Ben Johnson and Joe Brady and others seem too pussy imo. They need a guy like a vrabel, Flores or even Spags (I’m selfishly hoping he gets a job so the chiefs suffer).

 

Not much. He is not on top of MY list. But did you look at the Jets list lately? Mike Locksley is the latest addition, lol. McCown is top 3 just by eliminating the others. As far as Glenn vs McCown, as @REVISion already pointed out, Glenn had 3 poor seasons as a DC and one solid season this year. They are both on the list not because of their coordinator abilities, but leadership skills, which have been reported widely throughout the years. I will take McCown and the work he did with Sam this year as his QB coach plus his connections with every team in the League over Glenn and his DC experience, which overall is not great. Hence Glenn is #3 for me from this list, and McCown is close to him #2.

Again, if you think Josh might be a good OC, which is very possible, just make him a HC, at least there is some upside there if he does become a good play caller.

 

He is a DC in Minny!!! That's where everyone knows he is good at, because he is down the food chain, where he belongs. We are talking about a HC here - as a DC I would not mind Flores either. The military Patriot way does not work when you do not have Tom Brady as a QB. Just because Saleh was a pussy, doesn't mean you need a drill surgent who does not get along with ANYONE. We can't simply dismiss that the guy burnt the bridges with all his QBs, coaches, ownership, mentor, and other teams in the League by the way which he sued. Let's not go from one extreme to the other.

As a head coach you need to get along with people, you need to develop connections. Flores is none of these things. Is it possible he changed - I mean everything is possible, but it is extremely unlikely. The guy is the definition of the Patriot way, which did not work outside of Tom Brady, and also with all the worst elements at the forefront that even Belichick didn't have. DC - absolutely. HC - no, no, and hell no.

 

Maybe this particular group needs a drill sergeant.

 

You make some good points, but I question what the hell are the consultants thinking of with some of these names. They must be getting paid by each candidate they recommend. I believe strongly we need an experienced HC or a Coordinator that has shown great leadership ability the capability to turn a team around. Josh main involvement is VFR direct with the QBs, a far cry from dealing with 52 undisciplined personalities.

 

sure seems like they do

 

This group is like another group, just need a non pussy coach who can hold accountable. Doesn't have to be a drill sergeant who has tons of red flags and burnt all the bridges with no play-offs to show for it. Again, the Patriot way has failed everywhere except with Tom Brady as a QB. And that's without Flores' red flags. There are better choices even on the shitty Jets list.

What I am encouraged by is the GM list, which looks way better. I hold out a hope that they pick a good one there, who then will enhance coaches list and pick the best one from there. The consultants are after all former GMs, and my hope was that they will help identify a good GM, not do a GM job. I don't want them to be the GMs, just identify one. Then part of GM role is to select a HC, for that one I am hoping the new GM will have very heavy influence. So, whatever HC interviews are being done is to get ahead a little bit, but I fully expect new GM to be the main voice aside from Woody to get the HC hire.

 

I believe the major selling point for Glenn is much more than defensive Xs and Os, it is his talents as a leader. While I don't see much wrong with his work as a DC he would have the opportunity to pick his own DC as well as OC. I'm looking for a guy to run the whole team, not just one side of the ball while all else gets away. Some may call it culture, I call it good business.

 

What has he done to display his talents as a leader?

 

are you asking about Aaron Glenn?

have you watched that Detroit team this year?

 

Aaron Glennis personal favourite as Jet. Excellent seeing him develop and prosper in coaching. Still think he is not what is needed right now.

The Spagnuolo interview is interesting given his background and success in the NFL

 

Spagnolo has built great defenses everywhere he’s been…he’s had success here in NY so he knows the media and shit…he failed as Rams HC but he does have HC experience…I would prefer an offensive coach but if we go defense I wouldn’t puke if he was the hire.

I still would love to see us talk to Kingsbury…doesn’t look like we’ve had him on our list and I can’t understand why. What the fuck is it with this team that they have to go Defense every single time.

I just don’t get it.

I’m on the fence with Glenn…obviously he was a great Jet and I loved him as a player…I hear the talk on his leadership and he seems like a good personality fit…but we wanted a “leader” and that was what we thought we were hiring in Saleh as well…a fiery defensive guy who was supposed to be a leader, but he had no clue what to do on offense.

Honestly, I’m not thrilled with the list of HC interviews so far…I’m ok with a large list, but honestly, seeing guys like Ron Rivera on that list is a bit nauseating…he was an OK coach, got to a Super Bowl, but just looks like the game has passed him way by. So for former HCs, I guess I could deal with Spags or Vrabel, would prefer Kingsbury, and want no part of Rivera. And then there’s Rex…honestly I don’t even know what to say on that…he’s got the personality for sure, and he WANTS to be here, but man his defenses always folded in crunch time too…better than Rivera maybe but we’ve been there already. And finally… Not sold on Flores..I get being a tough guy but I don’t want an HC that’s going to alienate all his players…pass for me.

If we’re going first time coordinator, then I’d prefer to try and find the next young hotshot OC type, like a McVay, Stefanski, O’Connell type…at least get us scoring points instead of watching us struggle to get first downs. I’ve had enough of that shit. If it’s gotta be a first time defensive guy, then I guess Glenn would do as he’s a former Jet and may actually want to be here, and seems like a strong enough personality.

 

What I see in modern NFL is that teams gamble with young HC types like O'Connell, like MLF, and achieve great success and an offensive player caller HC for years to come. They basically get them a year early and gamble on the upside. Take O'Connell for example. The guy was a traveled NFL QB who is known for his intelligence and leadership skills. He then goes an OC in Washington and literally has the worst offense in NFL. McVay then hires him as an OC (he does not call plays there) and after a couple of years there he is the HC doing well. Same with MLF. One year under McVay, then one year as a play caller under Vrabel leading 27th best offense, and he is the HC.

This to me reminds of McCown. Not exactly, but similar. Pretty much everyone, including these on this board, who wants a defensive HC, wants McCown to be the OC. But my question then is, if we are OK with him calling plays on offense, and he has great leadership skills, well known in NFL circles, extremely intelligent, great connections, shouldn't we just get him as a HC? Then there is some upside like with MLF, like with O'Connell. There is room to improve. He can fail too, but frankly these defensive coaches are even more likely to fail, I mean this is pretty much same exact play book we did under Woody all the time. So, if you want to gamble, I think McCown has the best upside there.

 

I keep getting alerts about all these interviews being completed.

The Jets are speed dating at this point. How will this end up being successful??

 

I think our standards devolved to hoping that success by osmosis would happen at the highest levels of the Jets at least 10 years ago, This isn't any different. The hiring process is a dog and pony show.