Your Head Coach choices for 2025

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I’d be pretty wary of Brady. Not to say he can’t or won’t be a good head coach but Allen is such a unique player with an unusual rise to stardom. He’s also been through two other coordinators that went on to coach bottom of the barrel offenses.

    My concern with Carroll is that he hasn’t exactly produced a pipeline of good coaches. You want him to come fix this over a short period of time but there needs to be infrastructure thereafter and Idunno if he provides that.
     
  2. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    Vrabel is a solid defense oriented coach, who proved his teams play hard nosed football and can win if he has a good OC. His overall coaching record is good, and he even won coach of the year once. But then again, his last two OCs were not great (Downing and some scrub I think Kelley who is Giants TE coach now) and he underachieved. Will he be able to find a good OC this time? Someone maybe who can develop a non elite QB prospect like Jordan Travis or if we pick someone in this QB shallow draft? I don't think it is a total failure if we get Vrabel, the team will be better than before, but I do think the ceiling is very limited with Vrabel and he will end up getting fired when he picks a wrong OC again, which is inevitably going to happen, unless by some miracle we get an elite young QB.

    Yes, it is so hard to tell - when you have a guy like Allen if this is just him or the coach. Clearly Daboll and Brady are better than Dorsey, but Daboll's offenses sucked lately for the Giants. Granted their roster sticks, and Daboll greatly overachieved his first year with Jones, so he may still be good, but the jury is still out, so I could see where Joe Brady, while could be a great head coach, carries a lot of risk.

    This discussion to me makes it clear - there are two guys who are head and shoulders above everyone else for HC: #1 Monken, #2 Ben Johnson. I do hope we can get one of them. But if not, then what? I would then create another tier: Liam Coen and Joe Brady. Intriguing young up and coming OCs, which carry higher risk but also potentially high reward. Coen somehow made TB as top 3-5 offense in the NFL depending on publication with Baker and no elite WR (Evans is 31 and not the same as he was before). Then we have proven defensive HCs, who were fired. Mike Vrabel and maybe old Pete Carroll, we can add Rex Ryan to that list also. Higher floor, no nonsense guys who have done it before, but also limited ceiling. Finally, successful DCs: I would say Aaron Glenn tops that list.

    For me, if top tier Monken and Ben go elsewhere, I would go with Brady/Coen tier. Maybe during interview process one of them comes out on top, and I would pick that guy. After that I would say Vrabel or Glenn.
     
  3. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    Not yet but all signs point to it happening. Having a young potential Pro Bowl QB in Williams and some serious offensive skill weapons around him is a big draw for Pete.

    Yeah he's definitely a football guru, always gets the most out of the talent given to him (which is scary considering the Bears young O talent) and flat out wins quickly.

    Not to mention his energy level is better than most coaches 20 years younger than him. The age thing doesn't apply to Carroll. He's got one good coaching run left in him. His formula is proven to turn teams around quickly. He will with the Bears even in a loaded division. That division is going to be sick if he gets back in the fray.
     
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  4. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Obviously it's not guaranteed, but it's a risk you have to consider when hiring someone to run the football operation of a multi bullion dollar franchise. Kind of like considering the health of a 40 year old QB with an enormous contract who you trade a bunch of not insignificant draft capital for. I just picked the brain afflictions as an example, maybe he falls and breaks his hip walking through a haphazardly set up podium at his opening presser. Maybe a heart condition comes into play. Advanced age isn't a myth and neither are the shitty things that come with it.
     
  5. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    No doubt that health comes into play with older age. That said, Carroll, by all accounts, is in the best shape of his life so I'd say he's an exception to the norm that I'd gladly take a risk on.
     
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  6. barfolomew

    barfolomew Well-Known Member

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    Anyone who wanted Aaron Rodgers here should be forbidden from posting
     
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  7. Bills over Jets

    Bills over Jets Well-Known Member

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    Hiring coordinators off the best QB's in the league to be head coaches is a pet peeve of mine. Having said that, I can definitively say that Joe Brady is in a huge way responsible for what the Bills offense has been able to accomplish this season. Its something that can be measured and quantified, so you know its not just Allen. I've watched 3 coordinators run an offense with Josh Allen here and one thing I've noticed as that there's way more to it than just having a great QB. Josh still had the same stats under Dorsey, but the labor involved in each play was markedly higher. Josh had to be the hero every play otherwise it wasnt going anywhere. Now, he did that, so maybe no one from the outside noticed or cared because the result was the same, but it was a struggle for that offense. Brady was able to fix things that 2 other coordinators couldnt. We are finally able to run the ball, something we havent been able to do since Shady McCoy in 2016. He's been able to do it with 3 different backs in Cook, Johnson and Davis. How he's utilized each running back to their skilset has been incredible. We ran mostly zone-blocking run schemes when Cook was the back and power gap schemes when Davis was in. The offensive line was able to coordinate both, and as the season's progressed, they are now run interchangeably with both backs.

    The offensive line has come together to form what most consider to be a top 10 unit, and he did that with players who were either terrible under the past 2 coordinators (Spencer Brown, and Dawkins was extremely inconsistent) and backups from other teams (David Edwards and Connor McGovern). He's found a way to scheme an efficient passing attack despite no #1 or #2 receivers on the roster. Mack Hollins as the most receiving touchdowns this year and he's been a career special teams player for like 8 years. Khalil Shakir emerged as a really good slot receiver. He utilizes 2 TE's really well with Kincaid and Knox. He's crafted an offense that is in the top 5 of the league despite no real weapons to speak of, think about that. This Bills team has scored the most touchdowns in franchise history and there's not even any elite players on it lol. All of these little things were complaints bills fans have had for the last 5 years, which maybe nationally were not really known about because all national media sees are the wins or Josh Allen's heroics. Its been much, much easier for Josh Allen to play this year. The pre-snap motion has been incredible to watch.

    Having said that, I have no earthly idea whether Brady is HC material. I know nothing about his leadership, character, or readiness for the job. I have no idea how he handles media, etc. What I can tell you is he's a damn good coordinator, and he for sure has a major hand in what's been accomplished this season. No one has to worry that this was "only Josh."
     
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  8. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Just go with Brian Flores. He’s the disciplinarian this team obviously needs.

    Today Sauce Gardner openly admitted that players “checked out” aka gave up today. You think a Ra-ra- cheerleader type can fix that? No way
     
  9. jets_fan

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    Amazing that it took Mr. Gardner this long to admit that the team has checked out. He's played like he's been checked out since Week 1.

    As far as Flores, I guess if I had to pick a HC for the team next year, he'd probably be it, although I can't say that he excites me in any way. Typical Jets, they fire a coach five games too late. If they'd fired Saleh in January, they had plenty of decent candidates to try to pursue (Harbaugh, Quinn, etc.). The names that are out there this time around are, quite frankly, terrible choices and I don't look at any of them and see someone who can pull the Jets out of this never ending freefall they are currently stuck in.
     
  10. cbman13

    cbman13 Well-Known Member

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    The never ending free fall will not stop till our clueless owner sells the team.


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  11. jets_fan

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    It's never going to end, then, because he isn't selling. And even after he's not running the team anymore, it'll still be his family running things.

    They should just embrace the suck and go for the all-time NFL playoff drought. If I did the math on it correctly, they'll break that record in January of 2036.
     
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  12. Ralebird

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    You made that up too.
     
  13. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Generalize much?
     
  14. NY Jets68

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    You don't sell the golden goose.
     
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  17. jets_fan

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    Ron Rivera? Wow.

    The Jets really aren't even trying to make this look like a serious coach and GM search.
     
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  18. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Cimini also alluded to a Rex Ryan interview in addition to Ron Rivera

    we know it’s happening, it’s inevitable it’s gonna be Rex
     
  19. Jets79

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    I would HATE a Ron Rivera hiring…talk about mediocre

    Ugh…
     
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