The mindset of leadership is our demise

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  1. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    As this season has gone on we’ve clearly underperformed. We have a good team, we have good players. We’re hating on our young stars, we’re hating the FA’s we brought in that were supposed to be good. This isn’t right. One player may regress, even 2 players. Not a whole team full. Quinnen, Quincy, Sauce, Breece, Garrett… all underperforming. Hoccum’s razor- did they all decline substantially last year or is there an external factor?

    The thing that has gotten my attention with Saleh and continues with Ulbrich is their insistence that it’s not the players lack of effort, but that they’re trying to do to much. They’re leaving their assignments to go make a play. They’re practically being praised for it. Players “doing too much” is just coach speak for a player not doing their job. Imagine a real coach having a player leaving his responsibility because he wants to do more. That’s not doing too much, it’s called not doing your job. It’s a common theme with our coaches since Saleh was hired. Since when is it acceptable for a player to decide he needs to do “too much” and decide on his own what to do during a play? Doing too much shouldn’t be excused as effort, it should be reprimanded and nipped in the bud immediately by putting asses on the bench. This team annointed themselves when they got Rodgers. They decided that was all they needed and don’t focus on the details of their reaponsibility. They do what they want in the name of “doing to much”.

    No matter how good our players are, the leadership is vastly underqualified to take this team to a superbowl.
     
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  2. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Can Hoccums Razor play right tackle?
     
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  3. Jetsfansince95

    Jetsfansince95 Well-Known Member

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    Can we start at maybe over 500??
     
  4. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I agree and I’m not defending them but that’s the exact problem when you try to setup a culture and defense that’s very directly and almost solely tied to hype and aggression rather than smarts and discipline.

    That’s also why we’ve gotten penalized so fucking much over the last several years. It’s OK to get a facemask as long as you’re playing fast! Get them next time!
     
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  5. ukjetsfan

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    I’ve mentioned this before but I’ll say it again. In Hard Knocks last year, Ulbrich asked his defensive players if it was enough to do their jobs. Then he told them it wasn’t. That was good enough for the rest of the NFL, but if Jet defenders did their jobs ‘and a little bit more’, then we would have 22 players on defense. It struck me as ludicrous then and it still does, which is why I have little confidence in him doing anything with this team.
     
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  6. jets_fan

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    The problem with this current incarnation of the New York Jets is that they think they are better than they are. They have good players, yes. But they do not have great players, which is what this front office and coaching staff have been screaming at us through a bullhorn for the past two-plus years. They use Rodgers' arrival as evidence that the roster was so good that they could attract a future Hall of Fame QB under the idea that we were just a QB away, when the reality more likely lines up behind the probability that we were the only team that was interested in Rodgers. Green Bay was phasing him out and we were the only team that you ever heard of as being interested in his services.

    This is a roster that is a collection of good players that are very media savvy, which coincidentally lines up with the only thing that the Jets as an organization is at all interested in actually being good at, which is promotion and media. We've been sold this bill of goods that this is the best team this franchise has ever fielded when that couldn't be further from the truth. Just look back to the last time we had a washed up former Packers QB and future Hall of Famer join our team from the brink of retirement. That team around Brett Favre was a good team. It's no accident that they got out to an 8-3 start before crumbling due to Favre's injury. They were built from the inside out (something our current GM talks a good game about but has no clue how to actually do it) with a fantastic O-line and a solid defense that took the next step in the following year when Rex came on board and injected his scheme and bravado into the mix. That Jets team of 2008-2010 would run this current roster out of the building before the end of the 1st half. This current team folds at the first whiff of even the most minor inconvenience, let alone actual adversity. It's because they conduct themselves as though they are owed the success they continue to talk about and do little to fix the problems that are keeping them from achieving it.
     
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  7. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    I think too much is made of "mindset." Get coaches that can create a strategy to use the best qualities of their players to their advantage and exploit opponents' weaknesses schematically, using Xs and Os, can teach and develop players, and give them more talent to work with, and you will succeed. If we could do offensively last few years what we did defensively, we would be doing very well. Unfortunately the talent and coaching wasn't there. It's as simple as that.

    I do agree that they need keep players accountable, it is certainly a part of it. But I think a bigger part is the coaches on offense suck.
     
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    Need to get back to basics, and forget all the hype and overly aggressive play style, especially the all gas and no brake nonsense which is another word, for overcommitting and missing key blocks just to go for the kill. Players just need to do their jobs to the absolute best of their ability. BB SAID IT BEST….just do your damned job. That’s it.
     
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    I said it before and I;ll say it again, they are not a team. They are a collection of players with no idenity on D or O.... there is no accountability whats so ever. RS should be proud because he establish on thing... losing culture. They are losers and play like.
     
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    Both...really well written... I wish that the front office could explain the "situation" as you two have done. What you describe is a lack of heart. This team has no heart. The coaches have no heart. It's as if they all were raised in the get the trophy for just participation era. I know that's not the case but it sure feels like it. It's a shame too. The amount of time, energy and commitment it requires to become a professional athlete and to waste that on a team that has no heart. No will. They get punched in the mouth and they take their "ball and go home." This is the kind of team REAL football people salivate to go against. THAT is the level of coaching that Joe Douglas has assembled. It started with Saleh and permeated all the way down.

    "We" all know what it's going to take to fix this mess. Needless to say, it's not going to be found in the Jets building as of right now.
     
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    That’s wild. If I had a boss that told me it wasn’t good enough to simply “do my job”, I’d let ‘em know that, in that case, they need to do a better f’in job of defining what, exactly, my job is. Aligns pretty well with other claims that the team is a collection of players, and not a cohesive unit.
     
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    WarriorRB28 Well-Known Member

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    A short while ago on the FAN I heard that Devante Adams felt the need to speak up during a team meeting this past week. Something about him noticing 'low energy' from the team during his first game.

    At least someone is trying to lead.

    The head coach was fired and the offense has stunk yeah that would drain the energy from a team.

    It's about Aaron Rodgers. It's on him. He has to LEAD this team back we need points on the board we need a W starting today.

    I remember how giddy excited Jets fans were after the Jets beat the Patriots in week 3. In large part because of how Rodgers played in that game that's what we need from him on a consistant basis the rest of the way.

    Aaron Rodgers MUST lead the way for this team.
     

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