You name me one game where he marched down the field with little time and short on TOs, and worked the sidelines effectively. If you can list more times than you have thumbs, I'll have to insist you were hallucinating.
wow, once again: you are missing the point. it doesn't matter if there was a realisitic chance of actually coming back. the point is to go down swinging and sling the ball for a few 15-20 yard pick-ups -- even if it doesn't appear open, QB's can still complete those passes. but Chad can't because "sling" and "zip" aren't part of his jargon, so we settle for 7 yard under routes that are painful to watch. cheers
Here are a few examples of other strong arm QB's. I guess they suck because they couldn't (or apparantly didn't even try with their short passes) to lead their teams back late in the 4th Indy and Jacksonville Indianapolis Colts at 00:33 1-10-IND16 33) (Shotgun) PENALTY on IND-M.Pollard, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at IND 16 - No Play. 1-15-IND11 33) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass to M.Pollard to IND 24 for 13 yards (M.Peterson). 2-2-IND24 20) P.Manning spiked the ball to stop the clock. 3-2-IND24 20) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass to R.Wayne to IND 37 for 13 yards (D.Washington). 1-10-IND37 06) P.Manning spiked the ball to stop the clock. 2-10-IND37 06) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass to B.Stokley ran ob at IND 49 for 12 yards (D.Washington). 1-10-IND49 01) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass to J.Saturday. J.Saturday pass incomplete to R.Diem. Penalty on IND, Illegal Forward Pass, declined. Penalty on IND-J.Saturday, Illegal Touch Pass, declined. PENALTY on IND-R.Diem, Offensive Holding, 0 yards, enforced at IND 49 - No Play. NE and NYJ New England Patriots at 01:08 1-10-NE11 (1:08) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to B.Watson. 2-10-NE11 (1:02) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to K.Faulk to NE 25 for 14 yards (V.Hobson, J.Vilma). 1-10-NE25 44) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to B.Watson to NE 35 for 10 yards (J.Miller, D.Coleman). 1-10-NE35 22) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep right to R.Caldwell to NYJ 46 for 19 yards (K.Rhodes). 1-10-NYJ46 10) T.Brady spiked the ball to stop the clock. 2-10-NYJ46 09) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 46 for -8 yards (S.Ellis). FUMBLES (S.Ellis), recovered by NE-R.Hochstein at NYJ 48.
what are people thinking when they use Brady and Manning as examples to justify Chad? Brady and Manning have lead their teams to comebacks time and time again. they've repeatedly proven they can do it don't even try comparing Chad Pennington to them. cheers
I never said Chad would have won either of those games, just that it was weak to pass for 5 to 7 yards on the majority of his completions in that situation. There's absolutely no point in that situation in dumping the ball off to a receiver 5 yards down the field in the middle of the field other than to pad your stats.
Just like there was no point for Manning or Brady to do the exact same thing in the same situation? I don't see your point.
Wait a second. Let's actually compare what everybody did in the 4 examples we are given here: Chad vs Colts - 3 for 4 for 30 yards starting from his 2 and consuming 33 seconds. Then the trick laterals play because the Jets were in such terrible position they had no other choice. Chad completed 3 passes on the drive for 14, 9 and 7. Chad vs Bears - 3 for 10 (2 spikes to stop clock) for 20 yards and consuming 1 minute and 29 seconds. Chad completed 3 passes on the drive for 8, 7 and 5. PManning vs Jacksonville - 3 for 6 for 38 yards (2 spikes to stop clock) and consuming 33 seconds. Clock ran down and game was over. From his own 49 Indy would not have been lateraling like the Jets if they had had the extra 14 seconds the Jets did. Manning completed 3 passes on the drive for 13, 13 and 12. Brady vs Jets - 3 for 5 for 43 yards (1 spike to stop the clock) and consuming 59 seconds. Brady completed 3 passes on the drive for 14, 10 and 19. If you can't see the difference between 6 completions in that situation by the other QB for 13, 13, 12, 10, 14 and 19 yards and 6 completions by Chad in that situation for 14, 9, 7, 8, 7 and 5 then I can't really have this discussion with you. Chad's numbers happened that way because his arm is weak. The other guy's numbers happened because their arms are not.
Its obvious that you did not watch these games. Mannings completions were 4 yard passes that were run for approx. 10 yards. Brady did the same thing with a 2 yard pass to Faulk that he ran for 14.
So think why that could have happened.... Against the Jets the DB don't have to cover deep, they pretty much have to play in a 20 yard box from the line of scrimmage. Versus Brady and Manning they have to protect against the deep ball leaving a lot of room vacant underneath allowing for short passes to become sizeable chunks of yards. Furthermore, Chad's passes take long to travel 7 yards allowing the D to get in position to make a stop. Sure it is a fraction of second longer, but that is about how long it takes for D's to begin to react.
Totally agree. As smart as Chad is, he still can't make all of the downfield throws that a QB really needs to make. It really limits what they can do w/ the offense.
This argument is so overplayed and oversimplified it has become a joke. What does "can't make all the throws mean?" That he can't throw it 60 yards? How many passes in the NFL are thrown 60 yards and completed? How many passes are thrown 60 yards period. I guess going 8-4, 8-5 and 10-6 in his three healthy seasons with 3 playoff appearances in those three years, appearing in more playoff games than any QB in Jet history, winning the first Jet playoff game on the road since 1983, and having one of the highest QB ratings in the NFL over that period just means nothing. Instead, playing QB in the NFL comes down to a jugs gun with you people. I think many of you need football 101 if you can't see the many skills and abilities it takes to play QB in the NFL other than arm strength. Bottome line -- if Clemens is the better QB, he will play. But until we see the guy throw a pass when it counts, we won't know, will we. Until then, I'll trust the coach and FO that appear to have this team on the right track.
Look at the list I provided in post # 175. So you'd feel better if on 1st down he threw it 30 yards down the middle of the field and the ball was picked off?
Sorry to say that Jimmy Johnson on Miami radio said Man did a great job & he could not understand how he did so well cause we only have OK talent not great talent IHHO of JJ.
What does that mean? I guarantee you JJ didn't watch 15 mins of Jet tape all year. He has no clue about what our talent level is. Our talent is very underrated.
It is amazing to me that people can't understand that the fans who would like a QB with more RPM recongnize Chad as an above average QB who has accomplished more than most QBs in the league. Furthermore, it isn't just about his lack of deep ball, it's the softballs that get lobbed beyond 5 yards of the LOS. And from what I have seen this season, Chad doesn't have the "pinpoint accuracy" he had in all the time previous seasons which he needs to overcome his physical limitations. Everyone would be thrilled if they thought Chad could lead the team to a title, but some people this his lack of physical talents limit the offense and the chances of the Jets winning 3 or 4 playoff games in a row against what are most likely going to be above average defenses. Rational people wouldn't just hand the job to Clemmens, but thankfully with a good coach in place Jet fans don't have to worry about it. That being said, I would rather see a few growing pains from Clemmens if Mangini thought he was the guy, than Pennington winning games he is supposed to win and losing games against the elite teams.
I think you need football 101 if you can't see that the ability to throw the ball is one of the skills an NFL QB needs. There are very few people on this board who don't recognize that Chad is a very capable QB and very good. Most of the disagreement regarding Chad is based on the fact that he has a well below average NFL arm and it may very well limit the team taking the next step. Obviously being a great NFL QB takes many skills, ignoring the ability to throw down field, out and up the field, throwing with velocity while being bumped or under pressure when they may not be able to step into every throw are simply part of being a great QB. No doubt the biggest single attribute is the brain, followed by the arm, followed by mobility. Chad is extremely good at the No. 1 quality. I agree it is highly unlikely that we will be able to obtain someone with that plus one of the other two qualities, but even you can admit that if we could, it would be an upgrade and greatly improve our chances of being a contender for a SB instead of a contender for a Wild Card entry into the playoffs.
