I wish some posters here will go look at some of the absolute trash quarterbacks that are playing in the NFL right now. Remember Zack Wilson is a backup. And right now he's outperforming Jimmy G.
Yeah…I was at the Raiders Lions game last night … my wife is a huge Raiders fan … and I just kept saying Jimmy G was playing like Zach…and when I looked at the stats at the end of the game sure enough…completion rate around 50%, total yards under 150, one pick no TDs and took a bunch of sacks…really did look like a lot of Zach’s games There is definitely a bunch of bad QB play around the league….
Everyone's entitled to their opinion--Its not even close Jimmy G vs ZW IMO. His worse game of the year is equal to ZW usual game doesn't make him worse. If we really want to analyze this, maybe you can say exactly who you prefer ZW over if you can have any one of the 31 other starting QB's in the league. I respect your opinion and will take it seriously. I agree on average ZW has improved, and yes, the last 30 seconds of the Giants game was his greatest moment, but there's still no one I can say he's better than. Lots of people giving Sam Howell sh*t but the guy hits open receivers and he looks like you can build upon him.
HE’S A 2ND OVERALL PICK IN HIS THIRD NFL SEASON. Jesus christ the gaslighting and goalpost moving is worse than I’ve ever seen.
So he's not a backup? The jets didn't move heaven and Earth to bring in Aaron Rodgers? What difference does it make where he was drafted? The plan was to have him be the backup. I can't stand ZW. I think he stinks. But I'm just stating facts. And I think you're using the term gaslighting wrong
My point wasn't that I like ZW. I think you know how I feel about him. My point was that he was supposed to be the backup this year. He wasn't suppose to be playing. So to ask me who I would take ZW over out of the 31 other QBs that were shared as starters? Not really apples to apples but I wouldve taken him Fields, Ridder, Richardson, and maybe Pickett. But look at what's out there playing now. Done of The backups in this league are miserable. I'm heading home against that group. He's a backup that has played like one.
Wow--I can't say I agree with your choices but I respect them. Richardson has looked great in his first few games compared to say ZW or even how Trevor looked at game 5 or so. Ridder I haven't seen--Pickett is disappointing this year but not ZW bad imo. Fields is tough to judge--he's certainly had better games in his career than ZW but he has looked as bad.
Richardson more so because even before the season started, I knew this guy wouldn't be able to stay healthy. You can't play that style in the NFL and stay on the field. Similar with Fields, but I never liked him as a passer coming out of OSU. He was a one read QB with a long throwing motion. Pickett stinks. He walked into a great spot in Pitt having known the facility and coaching staff to an extent. His stats are almost identical to ZWs and I'll take ZWs arm and athleticism over his. Ridder stinks also. I think he is basically the same player as ZW on a team absolutely loaded with offensive talent. Again, this isn't a profession of love for ZW. But the Jets coaching staff was right that he could keep this team afloat as the backup if AR went down. No one knew it would be the whole season, but he's done what they asked. Saying all that, I would try to add Tannehill today for a late round pick
If he's a backup it means he's arguably the worst 1st round pick ever by the Jets given the draft capital they could have gotten for the #2. It's been stated many times. JD needs Zach to become a franchise NFL QB. He's not one yet.
IDK, I thought he was bad from 1st watch, then on 2nd watch not so much. the weather sucked, the giants managed only 8 passing yards 9-7 net) before refusing to throw until their final drive pretty much and both were behind the LOS, they had pressure in his face all game (dexy had 15 pressures as a DT, most since PFF started tracking them not to mention thibs abusing becton all game) we had a lot of drops too. The fact he didn't throw a INT and was really let down by the players around him sucked. He did whiff on a 3rd down to a wide open breece, but outside of that in poor conditions he was mostly on target. the throw to GW on the sidelines was a hell of a throw, as was the one to lazard to get in FG position.
JD does not NEED ZW to become a franchise QB. He proved that by signing AR. This isn't an argument for or against the pick. There's a general consensus that as of now, the pick was a huge miss
this is the part people are missing. if you make a mistake you can't undo it, you have to fix it. The mistake was made and zach didn't turn out as expected. the fix was trading for aaron rodgers. the funny thing is the same people shitting on JD for drafting zach, praise john lynch who wasted 7 out of 10 1st round picks in his tenure and his team just lost 3 in a row heading into the bye.
I agree with most of your analysis. Zach was 17 of 36 fopr 240 yards. Add in the 6 drops, and he would have completed 63% of his passes and probably had his first 300 yard game or been close to it. Also, if I'm not mistaken, sacks take away from passing yards, and that would have made him closer to 300 as well. Granted, that the long TD to Breece and the two long throws at the end of regulation to get us to tie the game skews the stats somewhat, but still, in spite of his taking the sacks, and making some bad reads and bonehead decisions, his game wasn't all that bad considering the conditions, Hacketts atrocious play calling, and the bad play and injuries to the OL. He definitely has to stop with the boned decisions, holding the ball too long, and taking sacks due to holding the ball too long. I also saw several plays where the Jets receiver he was locked onto was wide open, yet he didn't throw the ball. I was sitting there yelling, "Throw the damn ball! Throw the damn ball!" I don't understand why he vapor locks and doesn't throw the ball at times. Perhaps he needs to see a sports psychologist. It's truly baffling. Why he would just stand there and stare down an open receiver and not throw the ball to him.
IDK I didn't think the playcalling was bad. I think we had some untimely drops and zach did miss on the breece throw but the weather was a factor and we knew the giants couldn't move the ball so it seemed the gameplay was super safe, which likely was dictated saleh. it feels like rex ryan football and shades of the 2009 season all over again. funny enough, he was the only coach deferring back then and now every team defers. I think lots of people kinda mix in gameplan and playcalling into 1 and it's 2 different things. The giants clearly at halftime adjusted their gameplan from barely throw the ball to never throw the ball due to taylors injury but clearly both teams were prepared for run heavy gameplan in the rain and play D and hope the other teams offense makes mistakes. we were also -2 in turnovers and the offense lost posession time due to the defense having shit penalties on stupid mistakes. there were some times it felt like he held the ball too long. without the all 22 it's hard for me to say though. Do you know which plays he was locked onto open guys and refused to fire? i'd like to go back and look. As far as it being baffling, I think it's an over-correction to the coaching staff basically telling him it's better to eat a sack then to throw a INT. they really want him to focus on not throwing INTs and he really hasn't this year. most of his came in desperation time in the blowout dallas loss. outside of that he only has 2 in 6 games.
I disagree regarding the playcalling. How many PA passes did Hackett call? How many screen passes or draw plays did he call? How many rollouts to the right did he call? He called two stupid rollouts to the left and Zach has no chance when he runs left because he tries to turn and set his feet before he throws and the defense is either on him or on the receiver by that point. Yes, there were a LOT of drops and that caused a lot of yardage to be left on the field, and probably points. I'm sick of playing "safe" or not to lose. I'm ready to fire Hackett into the sun, and Rodgers too if he disagrees. Without going back and looking at all the plays, I can't remember which ones where there was an open receiver that he was looking at and didn't throw the ball. If it get time, I'll do that later. I think you're probably correct that Zach's holding the ball too long, hesitance to pull the trigger is due to MLF, Saleh and now Hackett telling him not to throw an interception. It's made him too cautious and hesitant and is causing him to think too much and get uptight rather than staying loose and just playing. I think Hackett has done a good job teaching the offense and helping Zach improve, but he's not helping Zach during the game with his playcalling. I pointed out during the game that Will Levis was making his first start yesterday for the Titans. The announcers said that Levis was good throwing on the move and Tennessee's OC had him rolling out to his right (not his left) quite a bit and throwing on the move, and Levis had good success. Hackett evidently doesn't believe in or like having the QB roll out to his right. Perhaps because Rodgers doesn't do that much any more. Particularly with the way the OL has been playing and all the injuries, Hackett needs to be calling a lot of PA passes, rollouts to the right, screen passes and draw plays early to slow down the rush and wear out the opposing DL, then as the game progresses, he can call more pocket plays if he wants. He needs to focus on what Zach does well instead of what he wants Zach to be able to do.
we called alot of screens, we didnt' call much PA but PA takes extra time and he was tyring to get the ball out quick. when your o-line is decimated, you need to adjust play calls and not do the cute stuff and just let the QB get the ball away. screens are often safe but the giants D played them well except the 1 TD from hall which was a screen. I agree as a fan I hate seeing the "safe offense" but as a reasonable person I understand that it may just be the only way to win games for us currently even if it's brutal to watch. The coaches job is to win and we haven't lost a game in a month. Everyone here complained about results, now we are getting results but it's not enough. As long as we are winning, it's hard to criticize the gameplan.
I don't know how much better most QBs would have done in a torrential downpour against the Giants pass rush with the Jets o-line. I venture to bet a lot of them would have thrown multiple interceptions. Let's see what Zach does against the worst pass defense in the NFL (Chargers) in hopefully good weather...presuming that the makeshift line can block Bosa.
People are dumb. The ones you are apparently addressing are all one my ignore list. Stating it wasn't thaaat bad is not a vote of support for zw. Duh. The ol stank. No run game. Why not skewer breece too? And no...you don't just discount drops. Anyways ...happy Halloween, lon.
yup only lawerence looks the part so far and even then he doesn't look top tier. stroud already looks better as a rookie then tlaw in his 3rd year does. it was just a shit QB class overall.
