4th and 2

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  1. Sack exchange

    Sack exchange Well-Known Member

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    If we kicked the FG, would Tampa Bay go for two to win the game in regulation? It is good question. I think they would have. And win the game 28-27.


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  2. MaximusD163

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    What WR?
     
  3. Royal Tee

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    Oh in that case,
    Remember in the 2020 Draft when...:p
     
  4. cval

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    3:04- That was pathetic defense. Who was the corner covering on that play? There is 30 secs left and the corner covers grass?
     
  5. BrowningNagle

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    League average over years is something like 49%. When a team goes for 2 they know they are basically flipping a coin. On the sidelines in the moment, Harbaugh doesnt have the time to put the nerds to work on what they think about the particular play against this particular defense but he thinks to himself it's like flipping a coin.

    But even coin flips, sometimes you flip it 4 times and get heads 4 times straight. Or in Baltimore's case, you flip it and only get heads 25% of the time...

    He is not on the sidelines with his data models telling him you SHOULD go for it based on X,Y,Z, & carry the 4, it equals 80% chance of victory. Even the most sophisticated teams aren't at that level, and even if they were, most coaches would tell the computer nerds to piss off anyway haha
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I’m not muddled at all. Going for 2 against the Packers was the wrong decision when the Packers had 9 total yards on two fourth quarter drives while being outscored 14-3 in the period.
     
  7. BrowningNagle

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    It was definitely the wrong decision. I agree. I would not have left the game up to Tyler Huntley
     
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  8. KY Jets Fan

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    Pretty good look at the play here.

    You can see the A gap on AVT's side is open so based off of what was called in, I can see Zach's perspective that he thought the sneak had a shot.

    But it also looks like Berrios might've had a walk in TD on the jet sweep. At the very least, he probably gets the first down.

    It's a learning moment for everyone involved, Saleh/LaFleur for making sure Zach knows in that instance to hand it off to Berrios no matter what you see pre-snap and Zach for understanding the situation (missing starting C, LT, back-up LT & trying to run into the strength of their D vs an outside run that had been much more effective all game). Tough way to learn but them's the breaks.
     
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  9. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Why do teams consistently go for it more often than they ever have then? Just because he doesn’t have the computer guys radioing into his ear at that very moment doesn’t mean that win probability if they convert isn’t in the back of his mind based on what he believes the numbers said in that very moment.

    That’s why the Chargers go for it so often and other teams are following suit. GB LaFleur, McVay and Belichick are the most conservative coaches in the league and their teams are great. There’s nothing wrong with punting.
     
  10. Jonathan_Vilma

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    The A-gap was not at all open with the best run stopping defensive tackle nearly head up on the (backup) center. Not sure what he was seeing. The frustrating part is that the Jets called a friggain timeout and came back with that play. It shouldn’t have been a check with me, it should’ve been a run the play as called situation.

    They were in what I believe used to be called an Eagle front with the center and both guards covered up. That screams outside/off-tackle run all day every day.
     
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  11. BrowningNagle

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    Because kicking extra points has gotten more difficult in recent years.

    If you are asking about going for it on 4th down, that's gotten easier in recent years. The Bengals yesterday, tied at 31, went for it on 4th down & goal twice late in the game. It woulda been safer to kick the field goal but hell, the league makes it so easy to get penalties on the defense, might as well take advantage of that
     
  12. MaximusD163

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    So what you’re saying is you’re somehow shocked that the practice squad Safety that only made an active roster about 70% through the season did a bad job in coverage?

    C’mon man, it’s not a tank job it’s a lack of talent. Elijah Riley has been bad in coverage consistently.

    BTW it’s Cover 2 on that play.
     
  13. toddhershkowitz

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    It was a miscommunication between
    Wilson
    Lafleur
    Saleh

    Plain and simple folks.
     
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    I understand it is cover 2 but there is also only 17 seconds left on the clock. The corner should not be rolled up in the flat with no routes being run there. If they do complete a pass in the flat just come up and make the tackle. Worst-case scenario he goes out of bounds and there is 10 seconds left on the clock. Situational awareness, to leave Elijah Riley 1 on 1 is either bad coaching or really bad play from the corner. (You want the ball to go to the flat in that scenario the only thing you can't do is give up a TD.
     
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    Shoulda been in cover 3 so Riley didn't have to worry about the middle of the field but Ulbrich sucks. Marcus Maye probably still swats that one out of play though, so it is a talent issue at safety
     
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    Elijah Riley isn't a guy that should even be on an NFL roster, let alone playing meaningful snaps. Riley doesn't have the talent to cover that distance.

    Injuries and covid decimated the Jets already thin safety position.
     
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  17. GasedAndConfused

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    good explanation for sure. also worth nothing from what they said is that the play is designed for 1 yard or less, we had 2 yards to go so they modified to remove the sneak option but apparently didn't communicate that across to zach.
     
  18. MaximusD163

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    They had the
    Situationally with Vita Vea yeah it’s basically 1 guy for 2 A gaps. But traditionally reading that yes the A gaps are not not double covered. The D-Lineman over the LG is shaded outside.
     
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  19. KY Jets Fan

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    I see Gholston(92) lined up as a 3-tech on AVT's side. So technically the A-Gap on AVT's side was "uncovered". I probably should've said that as opposed to "open" because you're right, with a guy like Vea lined head-up against Feeney, neither A-Gap was likely to be "open". That's why I can see Zach's perspective on the play. He walks up, sees 92 lined up as a 3t, and thinks his guys can open up that hole and let him fall forward for 2 yards.

    Again, part of the learning process for Zach. He's gotta understand Vea against Feeney is probably a losing scenario 9/10 if not 10/10 times.
     
  20. GasedAndConfused

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    bucs had all the momentum. brady is the best all time at leading drives for wins in the final 2 mins or OT. we had a ravaged team. the best chance we had was to stop brady from getting the ball back. it was absolutely the right call. we are a 4-11 team at that point. nothing to lose. you play to win the game.
     

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