This needs to be said..again.

A buddy of mine called yesterday and said I had to be releived to see the Jets take control of a "need to win" game and not keep me on the edge of my seat til the end... I agreed.. and went on to add that if Edwards was still here... and I'm not an Edwards hater... I still think we would have made the playoffs b/c Chad is healthy. HOWEVER... we would have been 9-7 after an awful loss to the Raiders. We would have only gotten in b/c the other 3 teams lost etc..

It is a whole different feeling under Mangini. This team plays good, disciplined football. It's a pleasure to watch and really makes me appreciate what Mangini has brought to the team.

 

Hehe. . . .JJ. . . :up:

 

This literally made me spit out in laughter, and I have no clue why.

Now cue nyjunc to tell us all to "get over it."

 

We needed help, if jax didn't lose their last 2 and if den or Cincy don't lose
in week 17 then we wouldn't have made it. Stop w/ your nonsense. The Jets a,mde 3 of 5 under Herm only msising when Chad was hurt, Chad is healthy this year and we made it again. KC had 1 PO appearances since 1998 and zero playoff wins and Herm in year 1 gets them to a place they had been just 1 time since 1998 and zero times the previous 2 seasons just like when he took over here and we made it once since '92 and zero times the previous 2 years before Herm got here.

 

Do what you guys want, you guys are the irrational ones. The guy's record seapks for itself. You gusy continue to say how horrible he is yet he continues to take teams to the postseason. Not bad for a guy who can't coach.

 

Herm did exactly what we did, he won the last game and everyone else lost. This is one time I agree with Junc. Where I disagree with Junc is in Herm's ability to actively manage and build a football team. Last year they predetermined that Jones was the answer at LT, they let Becht walk and didn't replace either Fabini or K-Mack and drafted exactly zero Offensive lineman. The difference is that Mangini is buying the groceries in tandem with Tannenbuam and is building his team. Herm was essentially managing the remnants of Parcells and Bradways team. At the end of 5 years the team was worse and the veterans no longer bought in. Herm will have a 2 or 3 year window to improve the Chiefs, something he hasn't done yet and if he doesn't, he will again move on. If he does more power to him and the guys that supported his philosophy will look much better.

I personally would like to see the Chiefs win because ultimately it benifits us this year.

 

Yeah, I'm a little suprised at the obssesive Herm-bashers here as well.
KC didn't play well down the stretch (terrible QB play, from what I've read) but they won a tough game when they needed to. Regardless of what anyone thinks, Herm is going to be a coach in this league for a very long time.

That being said, in hindsight, I'm pretty happy with what transpired here regarding the coaching situation!

 

The problem with this whole "back in" theory is that makes it sound like a game in week 17 is more important than a game in week 1, and it's NOT. All games count equally. When we made the playoffs in 2004, we won 10 times. Who cares what weeks they were in.

 

Actually this isn't true. Jax had to lose 1 out of their last 2 games, which they did in week 16. And either Cincy or Denver had to lose 1 game in 2 weeks, and since they played each other week 16, one obviously lost. That is why both Denver and the Jets were both win and in week 17. What the other teams did week 17 was irrelevent, it was their's to lose. And the Jets won and got in.

The difference is that in order for KC to get into the playoffs 3 other teams had to lose. Even if KC won they needed help from 3 other teams. So for KC it was win and 3 other teams lose and in week 17. So the last week KC needed alot of help getting into the playoffs, the Jets did not.

 

I'm not a huge Herm guy after what went down with him and the Jets, but I don't think this is the time to criticize the guy. Guy makes the playoffs a million times.

 

This is the most accurate post you have ever made. There is plenty of room in your wisdom catalog.

 

I have been a closet herm basher because of many things but i do try to keep it as rational as possible and also give credit, if its deserved.

his bottom line now is playoffs - 4 of his first 6 years as "head coach". thats the headline and thats what the majority of people read and understand.

however, being the pessimist i am with many things - i prefer to look under the radar and see HOW these things are planned, executed, and corrected if needed.

with the jets there were many eye-brow raising issues - most of which were neatly explained away and packaged nicely for the media and fans. only the astute fans and insiders realized that the jets had a poorly constructed plan especially when matching personnel with on the field philosophy.

now with the chiefs - he enters almost a turn key operation but loses a starting QB. So you have to give him credit for something this year - though having an all world runner, solid OL and at least an average defense is good for at least 6-7 wins right there.

i think the chiefs have the best chance of any team this weekend. go figure.

jil

 

Well said. I don't necessarily agree that Herm was essentially managing the remnants of Parcells' team nor that the team was worse. It definitely looked worse because of the injuries and how 2005 ended but the talent level was still there. Many of the big contributors were people brought in under Herm's tenure (Kendall, Barton, Vilma, Hobson, Coleman, Rhodes, Houston, Baker, Thomas, Robertson, Graham, Nugent, Cotchery). Granted they may not all have been used properly but that also goes to the various coordinators too.

That all being said, I said this before that I feel we're better off now because while I don't necessarily think the players were tired of Herm, a lot of fans were and it was never going to really work out after that. I also think Mangini does have more Xs and Os knowledge and is a bit more creative then Herm who sees things as a player a bit more. From what I've seen this year we have a lot to build on and that we had a few more young guys stepping up in year's past and older guys doing better with a fresh start.

Personally I'd like to see us fans move on and stop trying to find ways bash someone they didn't like. I like Mangini but you are seeing these same people bashing Herm giving Mangini benefit of the doubt and credit where they never would do so for Herm for the same thing. Great example (and I don't agree with either statement in general) is that Herm won with Parcells' players so he deserves no credit, yet here Mangin is basically winning with the Herm's players (and a few holdovers from the Parcells' days) but is getting credit.

Mangini deserves a lot of credit but so did Herm back then and he deserves credit for taking his teams to the playoffs 4 out of his 6 years as a head coach, especially when they are his first 6 years as head coach. Plus the two years he didn't the Jets lost Chad and as we've seen this year, when Chad played bad the team lost for the most part so as he goes the team goes.

Let's all just be Jets fans and celebrate our team and the job Mangini's done.

 

You know how I felt about Herm and could easily make the argument that he abused Larry Johnson or rushed Trent Green back, but the reality is most HC would ride LJ to the playoffs and what HC would prefer Hurd to Green going into the playoffs? I probably have made both of those arguments but it's a bad second guess at best.

 

No argument from me there. I never said he was the best head coach, just thought he was a good one.