Nobody is saying he has a weak arm or anything close.But every QBs actual throw IE release/arc/trajectory/Velocity..or “ball” if you will is alittle different. You can have below average arm talent but throw a very pretty ball,likewise you can have a cannon w touch but not enough rotation or arc on throws. Wilson’s arm is strong,a notch & a half below elite. But his throws tend to lack some velocity outside the numbers & on some deeper routes where some torque is quite helpful. Balls can float & not enough arc in some spots too much in others. Have to think in terms of throwing through wind in the colder months & whats required to cut through w some air under throws for Receivers to adjust on balls. Wont speak for others,but id rather wait for a prospect w an elite arm;maybe not elite top 3 pick type but has an elite arm w some other skills to develop.
I loved Watson and Clemson, but didn't think his arm would be strong enough for the Meadowlands. I no longer think that way. His arm looks plenty strong to me. I think Watson's arm definitely got stronger in the NFL. Would you agree? If so, don't you think that Wilson's could also get stronger?
Watson likely has similar level arm to Wilson however his throws had/have consistent zip incl outside the numbers & deeper stuff.I liked him alot so cant speak too in depth to the contrary though i thought the dabo sweeney hype was hyperbole Can you improve arm strength? Maybe alittle but in Wilson’s case its not needing a stronger arm so much as he needs to throw a better football w better arc & velocity.He can throw frim multiple angles & flick his wrist; Find something consistent that works
Yes..that doesnt happen overnight & alot of guys resist changing things like that.See Darnold.Its also not always successful. .Sometimes its grip,arm angle,balance related etc Tinker w things till finding something that works & then refining it
IIRC Brady didn't have a cannon (nor did he develop one), but he did improve his arm strength; ditto for Watson. It's certainly a question with Wilson, but from what I've seen he's got enough now, and could further develop it. This is why I'd want him to sit and learn for a bit, especially getting used to the speed and power of the pro game. I think given that time, he would adjust and approach the level of quality he's shown at BYU. I agree, I do prefer elite arm strength because that's something you don't really learn - you either have it or you don't. That said, those kind of arms are rare, and I really don't want to wait until they find such an arm - it could take years. That's why I was so wrecked by Macc's decision to pass on Mahomes. I wasn't upset with passing on Allen because I really didn't think he could improve his accuracy much, if at all. Boy was I wrong! But using Allen as an example, if the Jets built their offense around Wilson (or any of the QBs) the way the Bills did with Allen, it would greatly improve the chances fo them succeeding.
Brady didn't improve his arm strength, he's always essentially played the same way minus a couple years when Moss was there and he was throwing sky balls and now with the Bucs. But there's not a difference in velocity. He always made his bones with perfect ball placement and an understanding with his receivers and tightends how they were going to react to the passes he threw (i.e. Edelman digging out dirt balls, Gronk shielding the defender to one side, Patten/Brown/Branch working back to the ball). I don't think there's much increasing velocity and whatnot. Maybe a tiny bit if you drastically fix your mechanics, but that doesn't happen a ton in the NFL, especially now with the new anti-practice rules. Watson's arm was always better than advertised as a prospect. He just didn't play in an offense that had a ton of down the field route concepts that required zip especially once Mike Williams left after his first year.
Thats why you stick with Darnold trade back and build an actual team around him the OL last year was ranked 29 and was in top 5 on sacks since the Jets drafted him they have done nothing to help him think either 1 of these QBs including Watson are going to improve this team with these circumstances then really don't understand Football rather trade back stack up weapons and some OL really fortify the line out side of Lawrence there isn't 1 top 10 QB if Darnold was drafted this year he go #2 behind Lawrence why do you think 8 teams are calling about him everyone knows none of these QBs outside of Lawrence arent sure bets. In fact until this year Wilson wasn't even listed as a top 10 prospect he benefited from Covid BYU played a very weak schedule because Covid pretty much wreck havok on their regular schedule. Think Wilson is overhyped.
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I was a pitcher who had a scholarship to the University of Miami. I blew out my rotator cuff and tore several ligaments in my elbow which essentially ended my career. Having said that, I know a lot about arm strength, exercises, and throwing techniques. Arm speed does not come from the arm itself, but rather through the coordination of muscles throughout your body. Strong legs and trunk along with a wiry upper body. I bring this up because he can improve his arm strength since he does have good upper body mobility. With improved leg work & muscle memory, which he lost a bit of due to injuries, it is only a matter of time before he regains his old form and maximizes his abilities, provided of course he doesn't suffer the same fate I had. Have you ever been to Utah? It is windier and colder than New Jersey in the fall. QBs who are good get the ball to a specific spot on the field before the receiver turns his head which you know. With Wilson, the ball is there on time and accurate. He can also make throws across his body on the run which is the toughest to do. That tells me he has strong legs and trunk along with those wiry upper body muscles that allow you to make those throws. I had that type of body in my younger days. Most QBs cannot make those throws and when they do, it is not accurate, usually high. Sam Darnold is high with his throws. Should have been a red flag with him before the draft. Wilson is accurate on those cross the body throws. That is very impressive. Wilson also excels at throwing quick slants. He hits the runners in stride with zip on the ball. No wind is stopping that. He is also smart, reads defenses well, and is a hard worker. I've seen him make beautiful deep throws. Keep in mind, he plays in Utah where you have to throw it low & through the wind. But when the weather is nice, that ball rotates beautifully and right on target. He is only getting better. He was a big-time recruit who suffered some injuries, but any QB can suffer injuries at any time. With improved coaching, technique, and strength training, the sky is the limit for this kid provided he stays healthy. Brady, Brees, Eli, Peyton, Aikman, & many other Super Bowl winning QBs did not have the elite arm strength that meets your criteria, but they won. Joe Montana didn't exactly have a rocket of an arm. Even Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. Todays game you can do a lot of damage with quick slants. You do a lot of damage if you are smart, can read defenses, and have a quick release which he does. So, please tell me what exactly is he lacking other than you're concerned about the New Jersey wind?
Sam has done nothing in three yrs. If we do not get our qb this yr, it is going to require all of the same value we acquire from trading down to trade up in next yrs draft to get a QB if not more. Next yrs class does not look very good. We have enough between free agent money and draft capital this yr and next to build a team . It is all worthless without a stud qb. The chances that Sam will grasp a new system and excel in yr 1 are very slim, It takes about half a season for a qb to adjust to a new OC. So we will have 8 games to decide to see if Sam is comfortable and can excel in this system. For that we get to pay him around 25 million or sign him long-term. JD has said he would listen to offers and has do not show he has confidence in Sam. If JD is a good GM we are fine , but we need to get a new qb and I think our best option is at 2
How do you know 8 teams have called about Darnold? Gee with that many teams dying to get their hands on this stud of a QB, you would think the Jets would have been offered a #1 pick by now. If I were JD, I would leak to the media that 15 teams have called about Darnold. He is mediocre, otherwise, teams would be beating down our door to acquire him. Is that happening? No. Darnold is so bad we're scouting Trey Lance, a player who hasn't really played much in 2 years.
I can't really think of more than 4-5 teams that may have called. Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh, San Francisco? Maybe Carolina, maybe New Orleans? Chicago has Pace/Nagy on the hot seat so I imagine they're exploring much better options. I don't think Pittsburgh wants a California boy to replace their warrior. Washington is relatively playoff ready and San Francisco is deep playoff run-ready. Couple of speculative calls maybe. If there was serious inquiries I'd imagine he would not still be on the roster.
Yeah. Or not replace Sam, but if that is the decision, they better be right. I think Sam will play well in 2021 for the Jets or more likely another team, but will Wilson or Fields or Lance etc be a star in the NFL? That is what the Jets need to figure out and fast.
Exactly. I can even see no teams wanting him as their starter. He will have to compete for a starting job. Why would Chicago subject their fanbase to Darnold? Same with Washington. Carolina wants Watson or a guy in the draft. The only team I can see trading for Darnold is possibly San Francisco but he would have to compete for the job with Jimmy G. Sam makes little money for a QB, so that's about the only thing going for him which is why I can see SF bringing him in as insurance. At this point, I think we're lucky to get a 3rd rounder this year or a 2nd rounder next year. The only way we do better is from a desperate team who lost their starting QB.
Sorry to hear about your injuries ending your baseball career! That must have been tough to deal with.
With all the holes the Jets have it would be ideal to trade back to garner extra picks to build the team the next two years and go with Darnold if Saleh and JD thinks he the franchise QB, worth resigning and investing . With an Improve OL and WRs, Sam will (should) improve. My concern is how much and how more upside does he have? I don’t think for Jets to win games, get back to playoffs to make a run to the SB, we don’t need a fancy Star caliber type QB like Russel Wilson, Drew Brees, or even a Watson. We need a QB that can move the chains consistently and take care of the football. That’s the problem with Darnold, I don’t trust him not giving the ball away via INTs etc.
I’m all in on Wilson at #2. And, for the reasons you mentioned, now leaning towards keeping Darnold as our own insurance, at least into camps. With all the uncertainty at the quarterback position this year across the league, it’s worth betting someone gets injured or someone doesn’t pan out, and we can get better compensation for Darnold - similar to the Teddy situation a few years ago. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I agree, I like Wilson as well, not sold on Fields, it’s funny though how everyone is still not sold on Mac Jones because he’s somewhat of a statue, yet the SB winning QB this year was a 40 plus year old QB who could move even less than Mac Jones. Brady has shown everyone that it’s about the gray matter and having a good team around the QB. My take on this is simple, whoever the Jets draft does not have to be Mahomes, or Rodgers, from a physically gifted perspective, and escape the pocket all the time, what I expect from Jets next QB is superior intellect, ability to diagnose plays quickly, accurate, quick release and strong arm. Whether it’s Mac Jones, Wilson, Lawrence, Jets are going to do right by him with this new offensive scheme and lighten the load by giving him a strong oline and more playmakers. Maybe Darnold can benefit from being asked to do less in this new offense, I just don’t see him being on the team by the time it’s all said and done.
