OK. A lot of guys are confusing this so let me go into it. Abe is a Franchised player. This is his second year so he gets a tender of about 8 million. Currently Abe counts $0.00 against the cap Because he has not signed the franchise tender. If you trade him you get NO extra cap space. NONE!...0...NADA! If he signs the 1 year deal and stays with the jets then he will count 8 mil. OK...So all these threads about 20 million dollars in space are very inaccurate. Currently you are around 10 million under. If abe gets traded you will still be 10 million under. Honestly-Alomost no one knows the exact Cap numbers for the teams for the following reasons: 1. All minimum Contracts have been bumped up by $40,000 per year. 2. Minimum contracts have a discount for vets so that it only counts 500,00 against the cap. The rest is payed to them from a separte league fund. 3. Before the new CBA all Not likely to be earned incentives(NLTBE) were counted for 2006. With the new CBA they will counted for 2007, and only if they are triggered. 4. New proration of Signing bonuses for 5 years instead of 4. This plus a whole bunch more is making the number crunchers burn the midnight oil. Hope this helps.
#1- We probably have more than 10 million, but it isn't 20 million either. #2- I think you are right about Abe because he hasn't signed the tender. #3- Why are you on this website? Go to finheaven.
Franchise tag counts immediately as the tender amount on your cap.... Someone provide a link to prove it I'm too lazy to look because I know it's true
Either way, we are good in shape if he signs it, which he wont, or after we trade him, we are in good shape
Also, onto the info he posted that was actually correct... The proration of signing bonuses was 4 in 2006 because it could not stretch past 2009. Now it's 5. This only effects new contracts. Yes, all new minimums went up 40K. Yes, if you sign a vet to the vested vet minimum and give him 40K or less in a signing bonus, he counts 425K not 500K on the salary cap.
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp I read this to mean the salary is included in the cap until a deal is reached.
What guy? Someone is clearly wrong. I believe that the offer to Abe is already included in the cap #. There is no way the jets could have taken a chance on the CBA not going through and Abe Signing at the last minute to kill their cap status.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9238415 The franchise tag salary counts against the cap as soon as it is offered. Not when it is signed.
From the CBA Page 98 - "For Transition Players and Franchise Players, the tender will be included in Team Salary when made until the player is signed, the tender is withdrawn, the Team’s rights are relinquished, or the Tuesday following the tenth game of the regular season (if the player is unsigned)." Hoping that this helps, Miguel FYI - The CBA is an excellent reference material. http://www.nflpa.org/members/main.asp?subPage=CBA+Complete
so does this settle the matter? Is Welker83 officially proven wrong? Can we stop with this Abe will cost us an addition 8.33MM crap? Maybe make it sticky so everyone knows.
Welker..we went over this yesterday in a different thread. We discussed it, I gave you hard sources refuted what your saying and then another poster posted a link to site that showed disctinctly how Abe counted against the cap already. Not sure where you are getting your information from, post a source or something giving yourself some crediblility. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=1632
Yea me too, and a bit hopeful that the Jets are not in as a good a shape as we are, its all good. I am actually curious where he is getting his info. from.
Here's another site that clearly shows that Abe's tender is included! http://www.jetscap.com/ Along with the other posts in this thread it's clear that Welker was wrong! You have to love guys that tell everyone else they are wrong when they don't have a clue! Is this Welker guy a jet fan???
I think he is a dollfan. Thats why I believe him to be trolling. One comment in a thread, followed by the same comment to start a thread. Both proven wrong.
