To whoever brought up the Miami and Minnesota games, a good qb will do good against bad D's and take advantage. the way Miami' D has been playing this year and lately Chad played well, close 250 yards, and had a great 3rd down pct.
I think that the straight-up trade idea is a good measure of where Chad would rank. I'd make the trade if it was for, in no particular order: McNabb: Playmaker, mobile, strong arm Romo: Young, calm, good arm Brees: still young, makes plays, wins games Vick: I think that Shottenheimers pre-snap shifts would help him identify defensive pressure Hasselbeck: Bulger: accurate, never really has had a good o-line to work behind Leinart: i'm a believer Brady: obvious Palmer: takes 2 years to get back from an ACL tear and he still has a shot at 4,000 yards this year Peyton Manning: one of the best QBs of all-time Rivers: only a matter of time Cutler: already successful That would make Chad around 13 in my book.
Cutler already successful? By what stretch of the imagination? He's played in too few games. When it comes down to it, who would you want leading your team in a playoff game? Even after a bad year, you can't leave Big Ben off that list. He's won a super bowl. Chad is a smart QB who can manage games. That's exactly the type of QB the Jets need. Mangini wants a smart QB and he fits the bill. If only we had any semblance of a running game...
Cutler has won 2 december games for a team in the playoff hunt...that's success to me. Furthermore he has thrown for 2 TD passes in each of his four starts. I thought about Roethlisberger and he has really struggled this year, not to mention in the Super Bowl. Last season's success relied on the running game and this year without a dominant running game and defense he has really struggled to win games. Yes, his accident and apendectomy probably are partly to blame, but he really hasn't been good this year.
i agree, im a big fan of chad, hes great.. most qbs have great running backs and good ol chad doesnt.. btw first post
I don't like the trade straight up theory because then you're throwing in potential. I'm talking about who you would rather have starting on Sunday. Right now, Chad is better than Leinart, Young, and Cutler. In time, maybe not. But I'm talking about current value here.
The knocks on Chad are that he doesn't come up big against good defenses. Well, that means nothing. Every QB suffers against good defenses. That's why they are good defenses. And every QB has bad throws and bad games - even Peyton and Brees. Chad doesn't have the best arm strength - that's true. But he has enough to get the job done. He can throw a legitimate deep ball when he has to. Favre and Cutler have great arm strength but I prefer Chad's accuracy. And, yes, Chad's accuracy hurts sometimes. But he's still more accurate than Delhomme, Hasselbeck, Bulger, Vick (by a landslide), and Eli (by a landslide). And he has a ton of heart - he wants to win so badly. Did you see him break off those runs in the Miami game? He has poise - you can't get in his head. He can stage a 4th quarter comeback. Sometimes Chad makes me cringe but he's exceeded my expectations for him this season so much. We're supposed to be Jets fans here but there is so much hatred for Chad. Focus on the players that are bringing the team down - not the one who is carrying the team on his back.
Got it. I'd go with Brady, Bulger, Brees, Hasselbeck, Manning, Delhomme, Palmer. I know Hasselbeck, Delhomme and Palmer have struggled somewhat this season, but they have already proven themselves in big games in the past (even if Palmer's was in college).
I really think out of all the starting QB's in the league to place Chad around Mid section. That's what I hust got after going through the list. And leave predictions out of it.
That's pretty much 9-7 every year. I don't really think that's too good. I think we just need 3 tweaks for next year to see what Chad is capable of: RT, RG and Moss. I think we have the RBs on this team, LW looks good to me. With a rebuilt mauling right side of the O-line, and maybe re-signing Becht to block, and you'll see that LW is a bonafide RB in this league, and a damn good one to boot. Maybe a lead blocking fullback too. That way they can stick 8 in the box if they want and we can still match up if we want to. People don't want Moss, but I think it would open up the offense. I like Coles, but he isn't the type of player that takes over games...Moss is. With Moss forcing double teams, Coles would KILL opposing secondaries. We'd be sick.
lets just take a look at the ones i put in bold.... straight up trades for.... Tony Romo....are you kidding me? this one is almost as laughable, as another name on the list that ill get to in a few moments....almost. so you would trade Chad even up for a guy thats started just 10 games in the NFL??? at least with leinart theres a certain pedegree that he comes from and success should come for him, but i still wouldnt move chad for him. hes got a lot to learn about the nfl. but Tony Romo, who even parcells isnt annointing just yet, over chad....hes got an upside, no doubt. but to trade a competent athlete with a great football mind who also has experience dealing with adversity is just dumb. it makes me glad you arent near the FO! Vick...I already covered Vick and his inadequecies at the position. no matter what system he plays in, it wont make him smarter, or give him more accuracy. check the page before this one to get the gist of why Vick is a piss poor overrated and extremely over paid qb. Hasselbeck....you just felt like throwing his name in there without anything to give a reason as to why? i like him though, and he could be a much better qb if guys would stop dropping the ball. branch and jackson should provide him some support for the next few years. Cutler...this has to be the most laughable name on your list. this is the one Romo was almost funnier than. 2 games...sure, hes thrown 4 tds. again...2 games. how many QBs have you seen fail under shanahan? even plummer has had success in denver. i think we will need just a few more games before we trade a veteran starter who has a nose for the game, and winning for a guy with 2 games under his belt. i will also repeat that im extremely happy you have no influence, or direct contact with the FO. the kids got talent, but how about making a trade when hes proven to be able to be good over the course of an entire season. and the number 1 reason why your list holds zero water is that you put 4 first year starting qbs (actually 3 since cutlers had 2 games, and im giving romo a "year") you didnt name the one guy who is better than them. vince young. VINCE YOUNG. do you watch or pay attention to the rest of the NFL? this kid is mike vick, but with a better head on his shoulders, and a much more accurate arm, and he actually plays the position. oh yeah, and he knows how to get a win. any way he can, he does it. hes 8-4 as a starter, and has rarely made the same mistake twice. i can honestly say that from what ive seen him do (ive watched 6 of his starts) he has great football instincts, hes matured at a rapid rate. he has made huge strides after being thrown to the wolves at 0-3 this year. when they show him on the sidelines, you can see him just taking everything in and absorbing it. im not annointing VY just yet either, but as far as those 4 guys go, hes shown me that hes the best qb out of the draft so far. and hes doing it with the titans....which says a lot in and of itself. they were hapless before he got the nod, and he has given them a leader. how in Gods name does Cutler, Romo, Leinart get on this list and you dont put Vince on this list? what does a good starting qb consist of to you? because who we have is better than half that list you concocted. EDIT: Rivers....hes having a heck of a season. it looks like the time he spent holding the clipboard really did him a world of good. im looking forward to seeing how he handles the playoffs, and the pressure that comes along with being one of the favorites to win the SB. it is also a huge boost to have the best RB in the league to take a little of the defenses mindset off of stopping him. the kids got all world talent though.
They won with Feeley down the stretch in 2002, but it was not due to stellar play by the man. They won games with excellent defense and special teams. There were a number of returns for touchdowns during the brief Feeley era. It was a myth that Feeley was playing well. As a Dolphins hater, I was ecstatic that the Dolphins got caught up in the Feeley trap.
1st tier- Manning Brady Brees 2nd tier Marc Bulger Chad Pennington Matt Hasselbeck up-an-coming Vince Young Philip Rivers Carson Palmer Over-rated & Possible Busts Eli Manning Joey Harrington David Carr Michael Vick Ben Roethlisberger Rex Grossman Retirement home soon- Brett Favre Steve McNair Jeff Garcia Trent Green Brad Johnson Health issues- Don McNabb Jake Delhomme Byron Leftwich Daunte Culpepper Jury's out?? Damon Huard JP Losman Jay Cutler Tony Romo Matt Leinart Chris Simms Kyle Boller Alex Smith David Garrard Jason Campbell Haven't gotten a chance- Aaron Rodgers Matt Schaub
Better: Brady, McNair, P. Manning, Palmer, Romo, Garcia, Favre, Bulger. and Brees. Injured: McNabb as good: Young, Losman, Rivers, Cutler, Leinart, E. Manning. All of these guys have upside potential, Pennington is maxed out in ability.
Yes, Romo. I like what he brings to the table. He makes plays with his legs, and can throw real well on the run. He suffers from receivers (#81) who like to drop the ball, otherwise he'd be stronger. He still makes some mistakes, so he's different than Pennington in that regard, but he makes a lot more big plays too.
IMO the jurys still out on romo. does he have upside? definitely. but at this point i dont think hes as good as chad. penny is one of the smartest QBs in football...problem is he isnt as physically gifted as most starters. i think after next season his talent will be able to get a fair evaluation. same goes with the other first year starters (cutler, leinart, and young). i think out of all of the first year guys, VY shows the most promise. i know rivers is having a hell of a year, and my reasoning may seem a bit skewed. but VY plays on a much weaker team, and hes creating big positives out of almost nothing. rivers has a very solid supporting cast, and in all fairness that probably shouldnt go against him, but who says the nfl is fair... im just blown away by some of the guys people here on TGG.com think are better than chad at this point.
L.T def has a stronger arm than chad and hes a running back but i still have to give chad kudos for what he has done this year coming of a potentially career-ending injury. If only we got the good chad every week we would be 13-2 and not 9-6
