Assuming for the moment that we do not take a QB with our first pick (maybe we don't get # 1 overall), what does the QB market look like outside of the draft? Whether we keep Sam, trade him, or take a QB later in the draft we would probably want to bring in someone better than Flacco to compete for the number one job. Who do we bring in to compete?
Dude, so you are completely writing off Gase's game planning, QB coaching and the lack of support Darnold is given? So the Jets record is all on Darnold's shoulders? Plus the fact he had mono and missed several games? Not a good argument. You must be assuming that Flacco or some other QB will do much better with this group. It may come to that if Darnold misses the next game. Then we shall see what transpires with whomever Gase put's out there.
I completely agree. I recently re-watched the Jets-Giants game from last November, and I'd urge all the "Sam Bashers" to do likewise. He showed what kind of QB he can be in that game ... making plays all over the field with his arm and his legs. And doing a lot of it on the run, with defenders hanging all over him. He only passed for 230 yards and one TD ... which the stats geeks would call "average", but I watch that performance and I have no doubt Sam will have a good NFL career. If it doesn't happen here, it will be with some team that knows how to develop a QB. If you can watch that game and not see that this kid has the ability to play at a high level in this league, I think you're crazy.
Sam had the "it" factor coming out of college and the Jets destroyed it. I believe it can be recovered. The best way to fix Sam is to raid the Bills. Bring in Brian Dabol as HC and Ken Dorsey as OC and Sam will thrive. I really like Lincoln Riley as the next NFL wiz kid but Dabol and Dorsey have proven themselves at the NFL level. While we're at it, bring in Dan Quinn to be the DC (he's gonna get fired). Some guys are not cut out to be HC but are very good coordinators. He's one of them.
No one is writing off anything to do with circumstance. What I'm simply saying is that GM's aren't going to look at Darnold and say well the coach and supporting cast suck but he might be good in a different situation (after 40 NFL starts) so I'll give the Jets a first round pick and pay him $25 million a year. GM's will say well he might be worth a flyer 3rd or 4th because he's had a rough situation in New York. The perceived value that Sam has by Jets fans is unrealistic.
I recall we got third rounder for Bridgewater, it is within realm of possibility to get a second rounder for Sam, but I agree, at this point of his career, his value is much lower than when he came out of College. A lot more question marks now after 3 season being bottom 3 ranked QB in ratings. Think of it like this, how much would you give now for Mariota? Maybe a second-third? Maybe not even that, and Marcus had a better career than Sam while similarly rated out of College. Another interesting factor is that Robby Anderson was 941 yard receiver due to break out before Sam. Instead of breaking out, he posts 752 and 759. Leaves for Panthers and Bridgewater, now he is top 5 receiver overall in NFL. Was it offensive line, Sam, Gase that retarded his progress, it's hard to tell. But that's another factor. We were complaining Sam had no receivers, but maybe Sam did have a top receiver at his disposal last year. The bottom line here is that Sam showed flashes of talent, but his value by any reasonable measure went way down over the last few years, whether we think it was due to Gase, GM, lack of talent around, or anything else.
Bridgewater and Sam Bradford are the only two quarterbacks that can really be compared. I think most of the football world felt that the Bradford for a first round pick trade was a bad move but it was a desperation move when Bridgewater went down. They should've beat the Seahawks in the playoffs the year before and the Vikings were looking at their roster as a SB team so they didn't want to flounder away a year with Shaun Hill. Bradford had a more decorated career than Darnold did in college and similar words associated with him as 'potential,' and 'right situation.' Bridgewater is the other one although the injury obviously factored into his value. My sense is that if a team is dying to get Darnold they'll just wait for him to be a free agent or offer a mid round pick and live with it if the Jets say no. His looming 5th year option is what kills his value. A team who trades for him after this season is committing TWO years, $25 million in the second year and their top draft pick for that year? I don't think so. So we can average both of those situations together and come up with a second rounder. I think it's lower than that though.
Wasn't sure which thread to post this in or if its already been posted but thought you guys might want to see it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...start-joe-flacco-vs-cardinals-per-report/amp/
All early signs show he's gonna miss Week 5. I would lean towards him missing the game. I think Gase wants Flacco in there being that his job is on the line.
As crappy as this team is the odds of getting the number one pick is slim. You're now doing the same thing with a potential Lawrence pick that so many have done with Darnold - putting all the eggs in one basket.. There are no guarantees! In the meantime a guy is here who everyone was sure was the savior and he's proven nothing. He has a coach who won't, or can't, coach him so who knows what he has within? Why is the onus on the GM to evaluate what he can do - that's what the coach is there for? And how can anyone evaluate him if he's handcuffed by the current "system?" And any team that considers Darnold will have more to go on than guessing at how much potential he has left - they have three years of evidence.
Sam Darnold is not Eli Manning - looking at Manning's stats does nothing to validate Darnold, he has to do it himself and so far he has failed. It doesn't matter if you bold or italicize it, you can claim that Darnold is better than anyone but he hasn't shown it on the field, in the stats or on the scoreboard.
Per Cimini: "And, finally, the stat everyone will be following the rest of the season. Per ESPN FPI, the teams with the best chances for the No. 1 overall pick: Giants 27.8% Jets 27.7% Jaguars 8.2%"
That's just parroting Mehta. A guy who is shut out of the building. Everything in it is third hand at best.
Good opportunity to sideline Darnold and use Flacco as an evaluation tool. See what he does with the similar talent around him. Plenty of games left for Darnold to play. Let him and Becton get healthy.
