I agree with Exit. I'd love to see Ramsey or even Clemens, even though he got sacked twice in about a minute. Way better then Chad.[/sarcasm] ... It was a bad game for Chad. We all know it, and he knows it. Let's just put it behind us like I'm sure Chad is doing and move on to Minnesota.
Apparently, you've read nothing I've posted since I've said many times that neither is the answer for this year and Chad should remain the starter. I really hate Jets fans sometimes. I really do.
Nah, I totally get it now. You just want to rant about how crappy Pennington is, but don't want to offer any opinions on what the Jets could do to improve the situation. In fact, you even stated how you still wanted Pennington to start, even despite his poor performance. The reason your posts are pissing people off is because you don't constantly remind us in every post, that, even despite your constant complaints about Pennington, you still want him to start. Usually, when fans bury players as hard as you are, it implies that you want someone else to replace him right now, which, oddly enough, isn't your case. Your actually complaining about a player you want starting for the next game.
jetsaholic1094 pretty much summed it up. My post was regarding this season, and hell, it can regard next season as well. A lot of your posts about Chad 'bash' him, yet you still want him starting. That's okay I guess, but I'm allowed to say how I feel about your posts. And you "hate" me because I "don't know what I'm talking about"? Is that it? Whatever. I still want Chad this season, and until we can't have him no more. Clemens is still young, I know, but his performance tonight, for the few minutes he was in, sucked. Sacked like twice in like 1 minute.. not looking good right now for him.
Pennington played an absolutely horrid game, and he's been playing a lot of really terrible football recently (excluding the first half against Green Bay.) That's a fact, and it's pretty undeniable. But that doesn't make Patrick Ramsey any better and Lord knows it doesn't make Kellen Clemens any more prepared to be the starting quarterback. We're stuck with Penny for the long haul so get comfortable. The Jets need a running game to support him.
I think the problem with Chad is that he's paid like an elite QB, when he's really just a mediocre one. If you pay the game manager like he's a game breaker, you need him to carry the team at times. With the incentives, I think he's making something like $12M this year. He's banked an absurd amount of money these past few years for performance that isn't nearly commensurate. If he were to take about a 50% paycut, we could maybe get a few better pieces on offense around him, and try to build a top defense too. It's hard to convince other players to take less money when you have this guy hogging up the cap.
Is anyone watching the Saints game right now. That is how your suppose to throw the football. Drew Brees is playing awesome. That is why the Saints are contenders to win the whole thing. We will never be able to contend like that. The differense is how Brees throws the ball and Chad throws the ball is enormouts. Brees zips it while chad's ball floats of his hand.
clemens got run down by schobel on a missed block, but he did not fumble once, let alone twice. nor did he throw two picks that looked like high school throws. there were 17 points directly gift-wrapped to the bills by the franchise. unlike green bay, the bills don't let you chuck and duck your way to a win. they threw , what, one pass over 10 yards? it's amazing how quickly two other qbs are written off as can't possibly do any better when neither one gets a chance to play , unless it's garbage time.:sad:
I'm hardly hating on Clemens, but he got sacked because he held on to the ball for ages. If there's nothing there, throw it away and don't put yourself in the position to get sacked. No matter how good your O-Line is, they can't hold off a D forever. No, Clemens did not throw 2 picks. In fact, he barely even attempted a throwing motion. He was too busy being a rookie and holding onto the ball for an eternity.
it was exactly that situation that resulted in some of his injuries, as the team did not have the cap money to upgrade the o-line for the years when guys left cause he had so much of the cap tied up by that contract.hmy:
fftopic: As a guy with a lot of family in Louisiana and the New Orleans area, it makes me so happy to see the Saints doing well. Brees is an absolute monster and should be considered for the MVP award, even with what Tomlinson's doing in San Diego. BTW did anybody see Reggie Bush's jaw dropping touchdown reception?
Well he is a rookie, what do you expect? VY looked pretty bad his first few starts too, and now he's won 5 of his last 6 games and people think the Titans might make the playoffs, imagine if they had started VY from the very beginning of the season? With Clemens, we would have lost the Colts and Jaguars games early on in the season, but if he's the real deal then we probably would have beaten the Browns, Bears and Bills, and have a better chance at making the playoffs now. Maybe the real problem is Pennington can't beat teams whose names start with a B.
I don't know for sure, but I suspect that starting QBs on any team at any talent level will eat up a good chunk of the salary cap. It's just the nature of the position. Personally, I think Pennington gets paid more than he's actually worth, too, but he's already taken pay cuts before. It's not like he's unwilling to renegotiate. Remember, he even took a pay cut to reunite Coles with the Jets, and also took a pay cut (in which he recovered through incentives) during the past offseason.
Exactly that: I expected him to play like a rookie. Re-read my post and what I was replying to. Mr.jet was making it out to seem like Clemens had no fault in those sacks, which simply is not true.
Not exactly, he was paid as a top QB, he was being paid more than the other QBs. The other QBs that get paid more than him are all game breakers expected to carry their teams, and when they don't, get incredible criticism and calls for their heads. For comparison's sake, Tom Brady gets paid less than Chad Pennington, and he actually purposely took less to set an example and help build the team. I think at the time he was definitely in the top 5 in terms of QB salaries. If you're going to take that salary, you're going to need to perform like it. He may have offered to take pay cuts, but they were negligible amounts, and it still didn't drop him to a reasonable salary. Even with the "paycut" he took this offseason, he's making something like $12M this year.
Didn't he offer to cut his contract for coles and renegotiate. I am sure when your employer offered you your salary, you simply said "no I am not worth that much how about %50 of that" Give me a break! If you want to be pissed about how much his contract is talk to the front office. It wasn't like he held out to get a big contract.
You don't exactly work as a "team" at most levels of employment, but generally at the highest levels of business, you will usually take commissions or stock options rather than a large salary, so in effect, yes, you do take lower salaries. In fact, you actually usually can't set a large salary for yourself because of the corporate waste that occurs, and because of some tax reasons. If you were to drain the company's resources by giving yourself a large salary, generally you will be open to a succesful legal challenge. If I was a succesful NFL QB, I would definitely go the Tom Brady route, because I have always had that type of competitive spirit. I would want to win Super Bowls, rather than squeezing out a few million more in money I don't really need. It doesn't even have anything to do with how much you are worth, I'm sure Tom Brady is at least worth being paid like the #2 QB, if not the #1 QB in football, but he wants to BUILD A TEAM, and he knows you can't do that if everyone gets paid like the #1 player in their position. And Chad certainly did make threats of walking if they didn't give him a big contract, go back and read the articles for when contract negotiations were being done. He offered to cut a tiny bit of his salary for Coles, whereas if he didn't have such a ridiculous salary maybe we would have kept the O-line intact, and several other players could have been signed. Apparently you are happy with overpaying a player and striving for mediocrity. I am not. I want to see a Super Bowl in my lifetime. I want to be a #1 seed one of these years. I want a realistic shot at being the best team in the NFL. Maybe you should question how you look at the situation.
Please don't explain to me how the corporate world works, i am there. Besides I guess the bonuses the CEO's are giving themselves don't count. I love how people who have not been offered the millons of dollars are so quick to turn them down when 9 times out of 10 in reality they would take the money. All I am saying is you have to look at the orginization not th player when it comes to these contracts. Looks at the Red Sox, they were broke at the deadline, but now they can just shell out the cash. Bottom line is the owners are the ones paying the large contracts. I believe once the player is signed, they should be evaluated by their performance, not performance versus salary.
i think we should do what denver is doing. who cares if we make the playoffs and lose 1st round. let clemens play and build for a superbowl season
