I kind of see it the same way as well, so I am not really understanding what the clock management issue was. Only way I could see him calling a timeout was to save a play where the offense might have caught the defense on its heels. The thing about calling timeouts in that situation is that you give their offense a chance to breathe and think about what they are going to do next. I think there were more egregious errors in clock judgement on his part when he was here compared to this.
Not to mention that chart looks pretty friggin empty, which is not all that surprising considering the only different looks you get from them are his face at the post-game interview. My bet is that he's got a football word search on the other side.
my take on it is that you HAVE to use the timeouts when you have trent green, l. johnson, and gonzalez on the offense..... jil
I was more disappointed in Trent Green's play in the last 30 sec. You have 3 TO's and only time for 5 or so plays. Why are you throwing to sidelines? Use the whole field. Rookie mistake. Also why is Gonzalez trying to get to the sideline ( which he did and they should have had 1 more play)? Catch the ball, go down and give yourself up, and call a time out. You do not have to be touched for the whistle to blow. If a player clearly gives himself up, the refs will blow the whistle and they can call a timeout. These are vet players. They have to do their job. Edwards did the right thing.
Yes but I have to think you forgot on a Herm coached team somebody other then TG is calling the plays
There are lots of options on every play. Green took the safe options. Trent Green is very overrated. I'm not saying he's awful, but... I'd rather have Pennington.
H'mm still do not know about that CP was a robot under Herm so why TG now be a robot under him as well. Yes I do agree though he is overrated which is probably why the safe options were chosen
I wasn't as pissed about Herm's bad clock management as I was about the utter lack of discipline our team had under his reign. It was rather painfull to watch our team with all the talent it had commit stupid penalties constantly and underachieve.
The only thing baamf is that he did the exact thing with the Jets. A team would be inside the 10 going for the win/tie and he wouldnt think ahead that "hey, they might score here. We MIGHT need to get the ball back". When a team has plenty of time to score, its just a matter of them scoring or not, you have to use timeouts to protect yourself IF they score. He has this mentality that by not using his timeouts, he is forcing them to hurry up, when they are hurrying up anyway and have plenty of time to score or not to score. Sometimes I think he feels that if he uses them, they might even get the ball back again. Herm will never understand that. Ever.
^^ Again, I'm no fan of Herm, but I don't think that's fair at all. Jets made the playoffs 3 of 5 years he was here, so I can't say they underachieved all that much. As for stupid penalties, they were always amongst the least penalized. Fact is, guys loved Herm and would go through a wall for him, and that means something. His game management skills still left a lot to be desired, which is why we were always overmatched against the best in the league.
It can go either way on this one. I tend to agree with the poster that stated you should take a timeout if your D is getting slaughtered out there, and let them get their heads right.
I hear you. I just never get too excited when players say they would go through a wall for a coach. We had players carrying around flashlights for Al Groh and we all remember how that played out. Lets face it, there have been a smattering of applauses from players concerning Mangini. You are not hearing "we will die for EM". Same with Parcells..same with BB. Players respect them..but these players coaches are very overrated.
I did see his expression and it was PRICELESS! or Clueless...lol! As he did here, Herm is already throwing PLAYERS under the bus and not taking responsibility. As his aging team crumbles (regardless of the results this season) he will shift blame to the Coordinators, Coaches, Players, even the Ball Boys. That's his modus operandi. Prediction: by the end of next season, Herm will be discussing College Jobs and looking to jump to College Ball.
Herm should go take over Cal when Tedford decides to move to the pros or take a job with any Pac-10 team for that matter. It would be a perfect environment for him: California nutjobs who would gobble up his nonsense, less pressure to out X & O your opponent, college kids would dig his pro football pedigree during the recruiting process, every mother would think she was leaving her son with the local preacher, his wife wouldn't get lost driving to the local airport. Oh, and the clock stops on every first down. That would save Herm 50 decisions each game easy.
I'll buy that. Never said he was a good coach. But the earlier comment that his teams were undisciplined underachievers just isn't accurate.
