Unless Allen rang up the 13, then the Mayfield contingent would have had a field day. Lol But it really isn't all that some make it to be. Though I don't think it's totally insignificant.
high scores can make a big difference though. a guy like fitzpatrick with his limited talent would have never made it in the NFL had he not been as smart as he is. But i agree talent level is much more important and if a QB scores stupidly low it's a big red flag. but anywhere in the 20-40 range seems to be fine.
Eli got a 39 and Peyton got a 28. Wonderlic scores measure an expression of raw intelligence. Raw intelligence and Football IQ are not closely correlated based on the historical record. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 and Teddy Bridgewater 20. Who has the better Football IQ?
Yes they should. You want your QB to be able to handle an NFL playbook, read a defense, read and react quickly to what they see on the field, call out protections etc. A high wonderlic at least shows if a guy will be able to think the game or not
I WAS going to originally respond to your first post on this with "Allen must've cheated!", but didn't think you'd get the humor. But as I said in my previous post, if it was that effective to quantify how any athlete does simply by giving them tests, no one would ever make a bad choice. These tests are just a small part of the picture.
FWIW "There seems to be a sort of smartness threshold, where the best NFL quarterbacks need to be at least this smart to see success. But once a QB passes that threshold (around a score of 25), their additional smartness has little to no effect on success on the field." http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...sh-allen-rosen-2018/ybb46fv3x1ex1r4hj3l4j9gtb
Eli is a very smart QB though. not as smart as peyton but it would be dishonest to label eli as a dumb QB because he always has that dumb look on his face. Also that's a bad example, fitzpatrick is also a very smart QB, he's just very physically limited and lacks talent. if he wasn't smart he would have been out of the NFL a long time ago. Teddy hasn't shown his football IQ yet really, he's only had a very small sample size. I can't really judge teddy on that as of now.
Fitzpatrick by a mile. And he's had better seasons than Bridgewater too. Bridgewater played in a super simplified low risk offense and could do little else except dump the ball off. Fitzpatrick is is a brilliant guy who just doesn't have the physical talents. Brudgewater isn't very smart nor does he have any sort of physical talents to blow people away.
Sorry man, I like your posts but I totally disagree with you on this. Dan Marino posted a 16 on the wonderlic. The wonderlic, along with all of the other testing done at the combine and pro days, is meant to serve NFL teams as a final diagnostic of faulty analysis prior to the NFL draft. NFL teams are not as fickle as fans. They've been monitoring these prospects their entire collegiate careers, and have tons and tons of data on these guys that we don't. By the time the combine hits, teams have expectations of what they'll see and hear from prospects when they get up close with them. As long as a player's testing (including the wonderlic) aligns with what the team is expecting, they will move on with their lives. It is only when a result is so widely off the expected mark will a team assign a red flag and go back and review their analysis for faults. Could it be that they got it wrong? Maybe the player is injured (not in the case of the wonderlic) and the injury isn't disclosed. Maybe they had an off day, let's double check at the pro day. Etc. I would be shocked if teams have to re-assemble their draft boards because of these scores.
Here's one: Josh Allen is not smart enough to be an NFL QB he has a 3rd round grade if you disregard measurables. I did say scores shouldn't change much if you've made up your mind, so I agree. Unless you score a mind numbing low score But I guarantee, if Allen pulled a low score it would have its own thread and the arguments would be epic, lol
After reading a lot of posts, articles, and watching video, especially the linked video by legler of the Simms show, I've raised my opinion of Allen - although not above Rosen nor probably Mayfield. With that said, I see Cleveland taking Darnold at 1, and then the Giants possibly taking Allen or Rosen of they go QB, leaving Allen or Rosen and Mayfield for the Jets, and this is what I think Macc was banking on when he traded up to 3. This would actually give Macc the choice of the 3 best QBs in the draft - I think Darnold will take a long time to develop, if ever because of his mechanics and mentality. I have no real idea of which of these three Macc would pick in this scenario. Right now, my personal ranking is: 1. Rosen 2. Mayfield 3. Allen but I wouldn't be upset with any of them.
If I had to bet it would be that we end up with Rosen the way it shakes out. But Id also place a side bet that we do something totally unexpected and bizarre that leaves people shaking their heads
Wow, goes to show you that you can’t trust ANYTHING right now. There were a bunch of article saying Mayfield was the one who scored the highest. Allen doesn’t come across very charismatic or articulate in interviews. Reminds me of Eli in that respect... but gotta give him credit + he won’t have any problems learning an NFL offense. This can only help his draft stock. He’s likely the 2nd qb off the board as he checks a lot of boxes. Warming up to him just wish his tape was better but if it was he’d go #1.
I've been really trying to be open-minded and looking at lots of clips - games, breakdowns, opinions - and while that has moved my estimation of Allen up, when I compare him to Rosen - or anyone to Rosen - everyone else looks unpolished and every bit the college QB, whereas Rosne looks like a pro QB already. Look at his passes, and they just seem to naturally land where they're supposed to. I get the concern about the concussions, and he might be challenging to work with, but you cannot teach or coach that kind of ability, just like you can't teac/coach an arm like Allen's, Rosen combines a strong arm with an innate sense of how to connect with the receiver. I'll use the analogy of shooting clay pigeons: Rosen is the guy who walks onto the range for the first time, picks up a shotgun and breaks 100 out of 100, whereas Allen is the guy who started out breaking 50 out of 100, and after a lot of practice breaks 80-90 out of 100, and that will be the best he ever does.
If I scored a 37 to your 14 I would still say who cares about the wonderlic. It’s just not an accurate read on anything other than what the test asks of them. And that’s not real life football situations.
The article about Mayfield wasn't about the Wonderlic, but rather a new test that was developed as an alternative to the wonderlic, called the AIQ: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/baker-mayfield-advance-analytics-nfl-draft-oklahoma-pff
