SD is more of a dumpster fire then i know? that's ironic being that i live in SD and have for more then a decade after growing up in NY. i highly doubt anyone here knows as much about the chargers as me. hell I've even been to quite a few of their games over the years including the times they played the jets. SD has had much better weapons then the skins. The skins are a dumpster fire. SD issue was the defense. Brees had LT at RB in his prime (HOF RB) who ran for almost 1500 yards and 18TDs plus 51 catches. his backup? Micheal "the burner" turner who ran for 335 yards and 3 TDs with a 5.9YPC average. He also had Gates (HOF TE) who had 1100 yards and 10 TDs. When rivers took over for brees in 2006 his numbers were MUCH better then brees had in SD with the same team around him. Sd's issue was a shitty defense and shitty coaching but still they are better then the skins. snyder has ruined that team over and over again
I know quite a bit about that franchise too. Their owners and coaching were definitely dumpster fires at the time. It directly contributed to their team outcomes at the time. Its affected brees development. It was not a good situation and honestly still isn't a model franchise. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
i wouldn't say they are a model franchise by any means, but sure as shit they were better then the skins. as much shit as schotty got, in his 5 years there after taking over for a team that was pretty bad. he only had 1 losing season. he won 2 division titles (14-2 and 12-4) his record was 47-33 which is pretty dam good. then turner took over for 6 years. he won 3 division titles only had 1 losing season (7-9) and total record of 56-40 to in those 11 years 103-73 record and 5 divison titles. If we look at the skins over the same time they had 1 division title 3 playoff trips (1-3 record) 75-101 overall record. So which franchise was more successful?
I'd be much more excited about a #1 pick QB than I would be for Cousins at $30 million per year. I think he's a good QB. For $15-$18 million per year I'd be all in for signing him. NOT at $30 million per year that elite,franchise, superstar QB money Cousins isn't that. Paying a non-superstar QB like he is one is STUPID.
Cousins is the QB Revis at making money. He'll go to whoever pays him the most cash. I read rumors that Denver wants him but I can't see Elway paying this guy $30 million per year. If he does that soon he'd have to break up that great defense to build that team around a $30 million per year non-franchise QB. Nah Cousins will go to a team devoid of talent, desperate enough to throw $30 million per year at him.
15-18 is very unrealistic and he will be making high 20's if not into the 30 million range. Kirk is a top 12 QB in the NFL and he's better than anything the Jets have had in recent memory. He's young enough to expect 5-6 years of really solid QB play and if you draft well and use the cap space we have to fix the holes around him, the Jets would go from a 5-11 team to a team that can probably compete and win 10-11 games. He's a starter in the NFL and his stats prove that. Ask yourself this, would you rather overpay a QB, frontload the contract so we have an out after 2-3 years, or draft Josh Allen, have him ride the bench just so he can look like dog shit in the preseason and eventually not start and be another first round bust. You sign Cousins, you use the 6th pick in the draft to address o-line, EDGE, or get lucky and get Barkley. Addressing QB through free agency eliminates the bust potential of a first round QB and allows the Jets more draft flexibility. If we had the first or second pick, I'd agree with drafting a QB first, but we are on the outside looking in with a bunch of teams that want a QB.
Broncos do not have the cap space necessary to afford Cousins. They would need to cut Bradley Roby, Aqib Talib, CJ Anderson, and that's 3 starters (2 in the secondary) they'd need to replace.
I wouldn't be dumb enough to pay "into the $30 million per year range" for really solid QB play. Woody just might be. LOL For that kinda money a player better be a ticket selling perennial league MVP candidate superstar like a Peyton Manning or a Lebron not Kirk frickin' Cousins.
I could see Cousins using a desperate team's offer to leverage a better deal with a team he wants to play for. I see the Broncos being the team he ultimately works a deal out with.
Value does not always align with actual play. The QB market is extremely expensive. Matthew Stafford hasn't done much but he's making 27 million annually. He's making more than Brady and Rodgers and they are better QB's and have done way more. 30 million is going to become a reality for QB's very soon given how important the position is. It's not being stupid trying to find a QB, even if you have to overpay. Overpaying for non-premium talents at non-premium positions is stupid. Like I said, I understand why some are hesitant, but there's a ton of value in signing Kirk and focusing the draft and the rest of free agency on plugging other needs on the team.
Exactly. If Cousins is serious about winning they could. He'd take less to sign there. If he's only in it for the money he'll come here. The QB Revis.
If he does it wont be because of money and will likely be because of the whole "John Elway is great thing"
Revis and Cousins are not completely compatible because Cousins hasn't signed a long term deal and held out. Also, Broncos are not the team they were 2-3 years ago. Think their defense is aging and thus declining. Their o-line is also not great.
I disagree. When the team is rebuilding, where's the value in paying $30+ million a year to an above average QB who is 28 years old? When the goal is to win the Lombardi Trophy, where's the value in signing a 28 year old QB that you're going to be stuck with for at least 4-6 years, whose play could deteriorate over night, and he probably isn't good enough now to get you to and win a SB? When the goal is to achieve sustainable success, and the Jets finally are in position to draft a potential FQB and achieve that sustainable success, where's the value in wimping out, taking the "safe" route, and passing on that potential FQB to sign a QB who isn't an elite QB and whom you are going to have to pay like he is an elite QB?
The QB market has been set by two very stupid, perennial LOSER organizations. Oakland & Detroit. Who in their right mind would follow those two? Think LOGICAL, think SMART. The Jets have the #6 overall pick in a draft that is supposedly one of the most QB rich drafts in recent memory. Get the QB there if they want to break the bank on a veteran take a chance on getting Andrew Luck away from Indianapolis.
I agree, but I think Jacksonville or Minnesota (both of which have plenty of money and are obviously really excellent teams) are the most likely places for him to end up.
He hasn't signed a long term deal because he's been playing on the franchise tag for the past three seasons I believe. The Redskins, smartly, haven't invested franchise QB money on him long term. Their defense was great again this year.
I tend to agree with you, but the Cousins situation isn't so cut and dried IMO. We don't KNOW for sure if he's a FQB or not. I agree, based on his track record that he probably isn't, BUT he is waaay better than anything the Jets have had in years. Signing him and addressing other critical needs in the draft might work out. Signing him would almost certainly mean the Jets pass on Allen who I think is Hack 2.0, so that right there is a plus. If they could get Barkley, Cousins and he would instantly transform the offense. Even if they don't get Barkley they could focus on getting the stud pass rusher and OL, and worse comes to worst, they can draft a QB in 2019. Again, it's mot my preferred way to go, but I see some advantages for it, especially with the current CS they have.
The problem is again, do we have the people in charge to accurately assess draft pick QB's and their ability to be great in the NFL. My initial impressions would be no given Macc striking out on 2 of them and not drafting any last season when he could have. Cousins is not Brady, but he's good enough to win with and make the playoffs with if you can actually plug the holes on the team. It again also allows for much more draft flexibility. Do we all want to see another season of Josh McCown at QB? or pray that a draft QB actually balls out and shows he can be the answer? Don't get me wrong, I would love if the Jets had a Cinderella story and draft a QB who can take the team to numerous SB's and win, but I think there is a ton of value to looking into Cousins being that answer and addressing other needs (Edge, Corner, O-line) and making this team more formidable. We also aren't picking 1 or 2 overall, we are picking 6th. So realistically, unless we trade up (which will likely cost multiple 1st and 2nd round picks), we are going to be picking 6th with Browns, Giants, Broncos all needing a QB. It's an entirely diff scenario if we are picking 1 or 2.
