Brady vs. Belichick vs. Kraft......tick tick tick tick.....BO

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  1. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    If Br*dy went to Kraft behind Belicheat's back I would not be surprised. Billacheat would trade Br*dy a year early rather than a year too late. Especially if he was high on Garraplo.

    Br*dy being a pussy about that and being a sneaky bitch blowing Kraft is no surprise.

    *not that I'm counting on any of that or this story being real.

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  2. Yehoodi

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    I think he loves him as he feels he has done wonders with his health, allowed him to extend his career, and has given him an opportunity to go into a business after he stops playing helping folks play longer and be healthier, something that his extended play (maybe MVP at 40) allows him to be the first guinea pig for his business. My 2 cents
     
  3. Yehoodi

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    Yes you are correct teams help QB win, but then again at the same time the QB needs to make sure he is not part of the reason why they loose and or are key in making sure they elevate their level to ensure a win, when it is attainable, and this includes all games including ones in which the opponents may not be smart as one needs to be and the QB is there to take advantage of any actual or perceived errant decisions . . .

    You know not like . . .



    But more like . . .



    And I will quote Scott Zolak's unicorns and show ponies quote "You can have your Manning I'll will take my Brady"
     
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  4. 101GangGreen101

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    def deserves a huge * ... I bet you it was all Brady though if there was an issue. Freaking Giselle, Brady, Kraft and their weird ass swinger parties. If there's any truth, I bet you Beli was butthurt as hell so he kicked Brady's trainer off the team.
     
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  5. Yehoodi

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    I agree with some of your points but not all as some of them are based on speculation.

    Yes there were restrictions on Brady's helper we do know this, but we are unsure what the cause was, likely that there was a conflict with having too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to health questions for players, but this is my guess.

    Yes BB was very high on Jimmy G., and likely would of like to keep him if Brady went down hill or retire. The dicey part is that since Jimmy G. was drafted the Pats have won two SBs, with Brady having two historic 4th qtr., made it to the AFCCG with the second most injured team that year (man loss time), and came an extra point miss from having it tied at the end (in a game in which the QB was hit the most by any team since 2006), and this year are the one seed with TB being in the hunt for MVP.

    So with that resume in the last 4 years, makes it kind of tough to dump the guy.

    In the end Yisman, transitions are rarely perfect, unless the next guy come the year after the last one retire. There will always be an overlap which will have some length to it. It is sometimes tough to judge the length of the overlap and the overall benefit of how long will this guy play, how good is the present replacement, can we wait for the next replacement, etc.
     
  6. BacktoQueens

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    Give Belichick a talent like Peyton Manning, and they win 5 Super Bowls in the early '00's alone.

    On the flip side, put Br*dy with a hack like Caldwell where everything rides on the QB, and he'd fold like the entitled bitch he is.
     
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  7. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I'd love to see Brady go get creamed somewhere without Belichick. Cleveland seems appropriate. Pull the trigger Bill.
     
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  8. Yisman

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    From a couple of weeks ago:
    https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com...rn-alex-guerrerobill-belichick-rift-patriots/



    So, Boston Globe reporter Bob Hohler came out with a report confirming what I said last week on the Felger & Mazz show on 98.5 The SportsHub: Alex Guerrero, Tom Brady's training guru, has largely been banned from the stadium and the Patriots' sidelines by Bill Belichick.

    Why did this happen? How big of a problem is it? What else have I learned?

    Let's go through the situation:

    • Over the last few years, Guerrero's influence has grown inside the Patriots' locker room, as he now treats about 20 Patriots players.
    • As that influence increased, Guerrero became more emboldened in the advice he dispensed, and more adamant that when his instructions conflicted with that of the Patriots' strength, training and medical staffs, the players were to follow his directives. This greatly agitated the Patriots' staff.
    • One example: a Patriots starter was told by Guerrero not to do squats. When the strength staff made that part of the player's normal in-season workout, the player refused to do the exercise. That only added to the tension between the Patriots and Guerrero.
    • In the early stages of the season, Belichick professionally informed Guerrero that the team wanted to keep everyone on the same page for the betterment of the franchise. Guerrero told a different account to many of his clients — one that painted Belichick in a poor light — which further damaged the relationship, perhaps to the point that it can't be repaired.
    • With Brady as his top client, and with a business relationship with the Kraft family, Guerrero was largely allowed to do what he wanted. Consequently, Belichick was helpless when it came to dealing with Guerrero. It became more of an issue when his clientele went from a handful of Patriots players to nearly half of the roster.
    • Guerrero is still allowed to treat Brady in the Patriots' facility in a private room, but his appearance in other parts of the building is an intentional irritant to Belichick. Guerrero has traveled to the team's locations to treat Brady on the quarterback's dime.
    • The situation has absolutely become a source of friction between Brady and Belichick. But unless Brady forces the issue and demands Guerrero's reinstatement, no one believes it will affect the team on the field.
    • But that hasn't stopped some behind the scenes at Gillette from referring to Guerrero as "Yoko Guerrero," in reference to Yoko Ono, the wife of John Lennon who some believe caused the breakup of The Beatles.
    • There was an attempt to bring the three parties — Belichick, Brady and Robert Kraft — together to put the issue to bed prior to the game in Miami, but it didn't happen. It's not known whether another attempt will be made.
    • Two sources said they believe the current arrangement is permanent. Belichick doesn't want to irritate his staff further by giving in on Guerrero. Brady is steadfast in his belief in and support of Guerrero. Kraft is basically trying to remain Switzerland between his Hall of Fame coach, and the franchise player he adores.
     
  10. BacktoQueens

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    Once Belichick leaves, that franchise will fall apart.
    So I'd love for him to leave Br*dy and Kraft right where they are, and have Belichick move back to Cleveland.
    His ego is big enough that the challenge might just interest him. It would prove Br*dy and Kraft were nothing without him.
     
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  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I wouldn't be so quick to write off Kraft though. I believe BB is the biggest piece to the puzzle but he's not the only piece. Brady is good and Kraft was smart enough to hire BB and give him what he needed to be successful.

    It will be nearly impossible to replace BB, but who knows if Kraft has an ace up his sleeve.
     
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    I dunno Kraft appears to be Mr. Magoo who made one good move, stealing Belichick from the Jets.
    Other than that, what has he done other than drink and spend?

    Br*dy without Belichick will no longer be winning close game on defense or specials, the mid game and mid season adjustment won't be there, etc.... They'd still win some games, but not enough, and he'd take a beating along the way. It would be great to watch!
     
  13. The Dark Knight

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    Yeah, if you base your argument completely on team championships, it can't be argued as he has 5. No one else does. If you look closer at those games, or his career overall, you would see he is not the best QB talent. Not close. Circumstances have led to this. Nothing wrong with being lucky or cheating if you don't get caught, etc. As Jets fans we have watched Brady as much as Pats fans almost. So I wouldn't say green tinted goggles mess up your view. I literally just said Marino is better and he is a Dolphin. Just my opinion though. I realize many think he is the best.
     
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  14. Yisman

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    If Belichick had remained the HC of the NYJ, I don't think NE would have any Super Bowl wins.

    Hell, New England without Belichick probably wouldn't have even drafted Brady. Belichick had a lot of input into personnel decisions from the beginning (and then took them on fully after Pioli left in 2009).

    Pioli couldn't even hold a GM job after he left NE. He went to KC and was fired five years ago.
     
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  15. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    The Patriots were on the upswing prior to his hire of BB though. He did a good job with the new stadium and not fucking the fans with ridiculous PSL's. He also hired Pete Carroll when Parcells left.

    Hard to get a read but I wouldn't be surprised if he made a solid hire.
     
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    Its not even close welcome to disagree, but he is the best QB ever. I dont even think its up for debate after last season. Prior to that the only real. Competition he ever had was Manning, but he blew past him.

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  17. The Dark Knight

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    Cool story!


    The Falcons didn't help at all with that comeback. And the Saints D gets no credit for being good right?
     
  18. The Dark Knight

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    Yep. That is what I try to explain to people. The circumstances all went Brady's way. Literally if Belichick stayed the coach of the Jets, the Patriots would likely have 0 titles and we wouldn't even know who Tom Brady is. If he was drafted by anyone else, he may have been out of the league by 2003. It's how life works. It went his way though and that is life.
    That's fine. You are looking at the solid results on a piece of paper. In doing so, I agree it can't be argued, as he has 5 championships and his stats are pretty good. I evaluate differently, and take all the factors in. For instance, I would say what Drew Brees has done in New Orleans is more impressive than what Brady has done. The 2 things that impress me the most about Brady are the overall team consistency (2001-2018) and his longevity. That can't be denied.
     
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  19. Yehoodi

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    The Saints D was great and ball hawks, but so were the '14 Seahawks.

    Yes the Falcons did help, but sometimes teams can not keep things going and what goes up must come down, the Falcons were flying high in the first half and into the 3rd qtr but at times one can not keep that up.

    Also, its how they role too . . . in that last drive with the Jones catch and in a time in the game most teams run it three time to get a first down, they run all the go route with a 7 step drop back and dump it off to the RB back who ran like 30 yards, then on the next set of downs on 2nd down, instead of running for a potential first down, Ryan throws a ball to Jones if had been a foot lower is a pick. The next set of downs they go for a pass to get a first down that would effectively end the game time wise and given them a chip FGA, and they get sacked, it happens. They would of not been there had they not been aggressive (see three runs and first down above), so if they want to pass get the ball in the red zone, first down, two more minutes off the clock then kick a FG, it kind of tough to complain that a tiger needs to change its stops. One does what one does and at times it may (RB and Jones catch) or may not work out (sack).

    So yes agree 100% the opponent and your teammates (Pats D) need to help, but in the end one stills needs to execute. Had Brady thrown the Edelman ball a foot lower its a pick and game over. And for that manner the ball to Amendola on the side line in OT and that stupid floater to Bennet in the end zone could of been picked.
     
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  20. Yehoodi

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    We will never know, but my gut feeling is that the Pats would have not had more success with Manning.

    Oh btw, you appeared to have placed an asterisk right in the middle of Brady for some reason. :)
     

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