Vernon Davis is a great player but he is not for this team. Let's look at the great teams from last year and see who was playing TE for them.. (I'll use reverse draft order) Steelers - Heath Miller: Rookie last year, great player, not an ELITE pass catcher Seahawks - Jerramy Stevens: Nothing special Colts - Lost Pollard in the off-season, they play dallas clark now... he's nothing special but the offense is still great. Broncos - Jeb Putzier: Not that great Jacksonville Jaguars - Kyle Brady: Nothing great Carolina Panthers - Kris Mangum - Yuck. And so on... Notabable Mentions Cincinati Bengals - Reggie Kelly - Nothing great New England Patriots - Daniel Graham - Not elite by any measure. As you can see... The best teams don't have great TEs... If you actually notice the best teams are the ones with QUARTERBACKS. Not RBs, Not TEs, Not WRs. O LINE AND QB MAKE A TEAM. Draft Cutler or D'Brickashaw Please. Comments are welcome.
yea but none of those guys where running 4.3s.. but yeah your right the vernon davis at #4 is rediculous
Clark is nothing great? He's actually pretty damn good. Panthers, Steelers, Jags, Panthers win with defense... Seahawks win with running the ball... Vernon Davis is a stud, and I'd love to have him, unfortunately, we have too many holes to fill. I don't want to see cutler.. That'll be a waste of a pick in my opinion.
I agree, kinda. If we do this trade where we get pick 9. I say take him at pick 9, I would in a second. Good TE's dont change games, Great TE's do, this kid will be great.
the chargers made a playoff run with Gates as their #1 receiving threat...they just fell short at the end of the season.
A great player is a great player, and your team is always better for having him. Do you absolutely require a stud TE? No. Does it hurt to have one? Of course not. If Mangini and Mike T feel that he is the guy that provides themost value at the pick, then I have no issue at all with taking him. A fast receiving TE is an excellent weapon. The Chargers are as good as they are because they have that weapon. Look, there is no magical formula for being great. All the pieces need to fit. If you have a great receiving TE like Davis will be (and he will be that), then suddenly our very pedestrian WR corp looks a lot better. It makes a guy with a weaker then average arm like Chad look better as well. And it takes heat off of the OL, as well as the running game. A guy like that can change the entire dnamic of the offense if he pans out. I'm not saying that it is the route I believe the team should take, because I don't. But to say it doesn't even merit discussion because the Bengals don't have a stud TE is just ridiculous.
Hear what you're saying guys, but if history is any guide, then TE is highly probable with one of our two first-round picks (once we trade Abe). Daniel Graham and Ben Watson were both selected by the Pats in Round 1. So clearly the great Bellichick considered TE a Round 1 necessity over the last few years. As did Bill Parcells, when he selected Becht in the 2000 draft. This is a great draft for TE's, and it is arguably one of our top needs (we only have two on the roster, and they don't block).
put vernon davis on any one of those teams as they are now and their offense becomes unstoppable. a great tight end is not needed to be a succesful but it always helps to have one more weapon who needs to be covered. and a guy like him on this team makes what many describe as a below average recieving corps a lot better because a guy like cotchery will see a lot of single coverage all over the field if a D is taking away the tight end.
A great TE takes the safety & sometimes a LB out of the picture which opens up holes for the running game and more single coveregas on the outside
vernon davis is faster than all our rbs and all but 1 of wr's...some how that cant be a good thing.:breakdance:
Everyone of the teams you mentioned had a signifigant offensive threat. Something our team does not have. They are all have a much better offense than we have. Our offense needs help. Outside of TO there are no WR's in FA or the draft that can have a signifigant effect on our offense. Davis could make a big difference to our offense and make the rest of players better. Impact TE's are quite rare. I don't neccessarily advocate taking Davis but he could be a playmaker and is someone we should consider if we end up trading down into the 11-15 range. Our offense desperately needs a potential playmaker like Davis. All that being said I have no idea how our scouts rate Davis. Is he as good as hype or is he just a workout warrior. Either way I am excited to see him play for whomever drafts him.
I agree. If the team didn't have so many other needs, I would say take Davis in a minute. Who knows after FA, I might say take him at 9 (with the Abe trade). But as of right now, I would try to sign Putzier, who I have to disagree with the original poster about, I think he has ALOT of upside. He and Dreseen would be a great young TE corp to develop. Then use that pick on RB or OL. BUT, if those needs are addressed during FA, then I say draft Davis. But as of right now, I would draft Brick at 4, and at 9 draft White or Mangold. But who knows, alot can happen between now and the draft.
He will be the BPA at #9 most likely, but do we have too many other needs than to worry about a TE? We could do so much with #4 and #9, and we could even trade down and get an extra second rounder. There are so many possibilities: pick your two-fold combination of D'Brick, Cutler, Mario Williams, D'Angelo, Lendale White, Haloti Ngata...all of those positions are pressing needs, and they might be of more importance to the team than the TE position, hard as it is to pass up a guy like Vernon Davis.
I have ZERO desire for the Jets to draft Vernon Davis. If we had a QB and a decent oline, I would be all for it, but right now we have huge needs in other positions which are more important than TE. I don't really know why people are so against Jay Cutler. He was considered a top 15 pick or so before the Senior Bowl and Combine...I am a stats kinda guy and if Jay Cutler can bench 225 pounds and run a 4.77...it will not be easy to bring this guy down in the NFL... Jay Cutler also posseses intangibles that you look for in all good QB's...He is coachable, has great leadership, smart and humble. His best attribute is his TOUGHNESS...as jets fans we should be drooling over the fact that he has taken a beating every game, but still keeps playing and not missing game time. Tough QB's are very important. He has been asked about the comparisons with him and Favre and he just laughs at them because he has alot of respect for a great player like Brett. He is coachable because he quoted some of the things Norm Chow said to him at the Senior Bowl practices...that tells me he is listening and is trying to get better. People would say..."oh well he had a terrible record as a starter" This may be true, but first off he was playing for Vanderbilt and secondly, maybe it is a good thing he has lost games...unlike Matt Leinart who has only lost once and could possibly be too confident from his previous success... I certainly don't understand people like jetsin2004 (not to call you out but) who says it would be a wasted pick. Jay Cutler has plenty of talent and I think we would be lucky to have a QB with that much talent.
