The Jets WERE Better Than People Think

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  1. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    Yes. I think everyone has acknowledged that winning requires a QB.
     
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  2. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    I say that, but I recognize that someone will pop up and say the Jets don't need a QB, because TGG.
     
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  3. westiedog1

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    I was never a fan of tanking or complete rebuild or whatever you want to call it. I thought Mac could have secured a FQB with a trade up like most teams do, and still keep the team competitive for the fans. Nevertheless, it's obvious from Macs moves that he has a plan and I'm willing to wait and see how the plan unfolds. I too am sick of the losing but getting a new GM and HC is going back to square one which most likely means even more losing with no guarantee of better results.
     
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  4. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    What the Jets need is a new boss. That is, a President of Football Operations. This person should have the last word on football related matters such as, GM, HC, CS. Everyone should be on the same page and of the same mindset. The focus should be on winning, not simply being competitive.
     
  5. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Agreed!

    Great responses to this thread. Many fans get it.
     
  6. hornblower

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    They are building a nice young team. This obsession with who is the head coach is silly when the team lacks talent. They have been competitive and tough this year and with an influx of free agents and high draft choices they will improve. Unfortunately the expectations of fans has led the Jets down the wrong path. Patch here, patch there never works long term. It took then too long to start a rebuild. Now that they are in one be patient and let it play out.
     
  7. Greensleeves

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    Why not? With a young QB, close to a 100 million in cap space it should be easy to make the next step if they know how to do their job - make in game adjustments, bring along a young QB, focus on offense, because it's more important than the defense in today's NFL. We'll also have a few more picks as well, although using a bunch to get a franchise QB is the right thing to do, because we will never be a consistently good team without a FQB.
     
  8. Greensleeves

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    That's the thing they wanted you to believe. This team did NOT lack talent this year. With a solid coaching staff that could make in game adjustments they could have won 9 games. Anderson became a really good receiver that is approaching 1000 yards, Kearse played well, Jenkins, a few other last minute pickups, and McCown had a career year. Both safeties played great as well. Stop buying into what you heard before all the last minute pickups in August. The Jets underperformed this year and rarely has a coach been this bad in the first three years in Jets history.
     
  9. NYJetsO12

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    Glad you on Board ..this is exactly what me and about 4 or 5 others are saying

    I hope you are wearing a bullet proof vest and have a good Police Shield..ahaha

    Not a popular opinion so you have so prepare for some flak ....heheheh
     
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  10. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    Read this board and every other jet board.
    Fans haven't accepted it. I bet you couldn't find one Jet fan that feels the record is acceptable.
    What you will find I'd a difference of opinion in regards to the best way to fix it.
    Some want a quick fix via free agency, some want to see the rebuild play out. Some say build the o line then get a QB, others say get the QB and build the o line later.
    Some say fire everyone , some want the HC or GM fired.
    Just because everyone is not all doom and gloom, some actually watch the games and see improvement , others see regression, not one is happy about the teams failures.
     
  11. hornblower

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    Please! In game adjustments, you are listening to way too much talk radio.
     
  12. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    BS You see it with good teams all the time. When their game plan isn't working and they're struggling, they make offensive and/or defensive adjustments, and all of sudden things start going their way.
     
  13. Br4d

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    This is true but who that guy is makes a huge difference. The Seahawks hired Mike Holmgren to be the guy and always fell short under him. The Browns hired Sashi Brown.

    For this to work for the Jets they'd need to find a guy under 50 with smarts who hadn't already won and was still hungry for the big win(s). Ravenous in fact. A guy like the Pats got in Belichik in 2000. It's hard to find those guys. They're not your typical available NFL talent.

    Somebody like Eric DeCosta might fit the bill. The Ravens have declined and Ozzie is still around so it's likely he'd just retire to let DeCosta take that job if the Jets appeared on DeCosta's doorstep.

    Josh McDaniels is another guy who might be interested in the gig but the odds on Belichik letting him go to the Jets are low. The Mangini debacle for both organizations hovers over any move of that sort..

    The Jets would have to define very quickly what role they wanted the guy to play in order to have much chance of luring a good young talent to fill the job. Do they want a Belichik/Holmgren/Carroll type guy who will call the shots with a caddy GM and the personnel department reporting directly to the head honcho? Do they want a strong personnel -focused GM like Ted Thompson or Ozzie Newsome calling the shots, with the organization lining up beneath him? Do they want an executive VP/GM who is the strong hand in the organization with a behind the scenes approach that lets the HC do most of the repping for the organization?
     
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    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    And just like that, Tony sums up the last year and a half of TGG. Well done!
     
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    great post. I personally want option 1 on your list. - "a Belichik/Holmgren/Carroll type guy who will call the shots with a caddy GM and the personnel department reporting directly to the head honcho"

    I want that head honcho to be Jim Harbaugh. He fits your criteria "a guy under 50 with smarts who hadn't already won and was still hungry for the big win(s). Ravenous in fact." okay, he's 54 but ravenous is the perfect description of Harbaugh.

    he's difficult to work with - good, make him the boss, then. It's gonna cost a lot to lure him from Michigan. Good, not my money.
     
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    Usually, right after we draft a defensive lineman or safety.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Some of this is true, but not the part about cousins entering his decline stage. Qbs prime is 30-33 and that might turn out to be longer with the way the rules are tailored to protect them. Signing cousins and drafting around him as the center piece opens a 4 year window if they draft well. Drafting a qb opens a window 2 years down the road if they hit on the qb and continue to draft well. In either choice the key is drafting well but only one comes with a qb proven to be able to play in the nfl. The other is a Saturday night lotto drawing at best.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Or, crazy thought, the talent is what everyone said it is and the coaching staff was able to get the most out of it. They got mccown to play above the back of his playing card,turned a walk on into a 1000yard receiver, a retread lb into the teams leading tackler. Not a bad job by the staff in my eyes. Let’s what happens with another year of these young kids progressing under the same tutorage.
     
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    Harbaugh?
     
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  20. hornblower

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    And the other team makes no response? Half time adjustment in basketball: shoot better, block out, play harder. Football: catch that pass, block better at the point of attack, play harder.
     

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