Cousins in so overrated, he had all world talent around him and was still an int machine. No he wasn't Fitz bad, but he wasn't great. That team was loaded on offense. Is he terrible, no. It's he a franchise savior, no. Hell just a season or two to ago he got pulled for colt. Let some other hurried rebuilding team snag him. Unless the thre meets can get him for a relatively reasonable trade. But my good keep looking Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Thank God this nonsense can be put to rest. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-sign-tag-expects-to-play-2017-in-washington/
Wait, Jordan Reed, Desean Jackson, Jamison Crowder, and Pierre Garcon isn't a great supporting cast? If that's the case, then aside from the Falcons no one in the league has a great supporting cast,
It may take 20 tries, but teams REALLY need to hold out for that once-in-a-life-time generational QB. Cousins isn't a FQB. Su why get married to him with a huge multi-year deal? He's a good avg QB that will play somewhere for an 8-8 team. If Macc has already decided that neither Petty nor Hack are going to be any good, then he needs to hit up the draft once again. Over and over again until we strike gold, then enjoy our own 5 Lombardis. If Macc can get a 5yr vet someone like Glennon/Cousins/(fill in a name) and get him for a decent 1 or 2 yr deal to run the ship while he keeps drafting and trying to find THE guy, then fine.
lol I don't get it. We've seen significant playing time from Brooks Bollinger and Kellen Clemens over the past fifteen years. We're talking tossed away seasons with these guys. Yet there's a bonafide top 15 quarterback available. He's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. But he can throw for 4,500-5,000 yards and almost a 3-1 touchdown to interception ratio. And some of you clowns don't want to give up a first round pick. Unbelievable.
It's crazy JV .... I love the proverbial "is he a once in a generation QB tho??" line...as if we shouldn't try to get a better QB unless he's already established as the next Montana LOL.
Um see the thing is no. Wrong about revis? not exactly. clearly mac is blowing up everything. we's cut most of our high priced veterans. mangold, revis, marshall etc. Like i said i never had an issue cutting revis at all, my only point was to save cap room it would be best to reduce his salary. mac didn't care about the cap room he just wanted to move on to younger players. Of course i'm ok with this. I have no issue's being wrong, If i am I'll own up to it. Yes eli deserves credit for his rings, but to pretend he's been anyhting other then an average QB with a few good seasons and a few bad seasons is funny. flacco won a SB and is also an average QB, dilfer won a SB and is a below average QB, brad johnson won a SB as an average QB. Eli is a top paid QB and his numbers aren't anywhere close to guys like ben (who has 2 or 3 rings) brady (5 rings) rodgers, stafford, ryan, and the list goes on. The fact cousins is a 2 year starter and has as many pro bowls as eli does in his about 13 year career goes to show how mediocre eli is. and the NFC hasn't had any perennial pro bowl QBs like the AFC has with manning and brady guaranteed in every year for 10+ years Eli has played 13 years. meaning you take his career numbers and average it out 59.7% passer 83.7 QB rating 24.6 TDs to 16.5 INTs and 8 fumbles per year (or 24.6TDs to 24.5 turnovers) 3708 yards His best season was 2015 35 TDs to 14INTs 62.6% comp 4432 yards and they went 6-10 his worst season was 2013 57.5 comp% 18TDs to 27INTs (led NFL) (and 7 fumbles) 3818 yards they went 7-9 He's enver had less then 10 picks any year or less then 15 turnovers any year. but he's had over 20 every year but 1 or 2 Cousins in his 2 seasons as a starter has completions % of 69.8 and 67 both better then any year eli had he's thrown 54TDs to 23 INTs better ratio then manning ever had in a 2 year stretch and his 29TDs to 11 INTs in 2015 is a better ration then eli ever had he's averaged 4541.5 yards per season 800 more then eli his 4917 yards in 2015 is better then eli has ever done except for 2011 when he threw 4933 his QB rating is 93.6 10 points higher then eli I honestly don't know how anyone can look at eli's numbers season by season and believe he is anything but an average QB. I won't even compare him to rodgers, brady, ben, ryan, peyton or hell even stafford because it's a joke how he can't stack up
I have never compared Eli to the big 4, and thanks for posting the stats. I'm aware of them by default as I watched a lot of Giants games with my father in law, and no I'm not a Giants fan. He has a body of work where he was asked to carry the load for the team, teams that were actually devoid of talent throughout some of those years, which contributed to bad numbers but that's ok, it's part of his job to try and make things happen as the QB. I'm of the opinion that he is a FQB, he is 8-4 in Playoffs, 2 SB MVP's, Manning is one of four quarterbacks in NFL history with at least 45,000 career yards, 300 touchdowns, four Pro Bowl appearances and two Super Bowl championships (John Elway, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning) I don't know where the 2 pro bowl stat came up, but are Pro Bowls really important? To compare a 2 year starter to a 13 year starter and using that small sample to minimize Elis career is not fair. I said to you let Kirk put a bigger body of work before we elevate him to Tom Brady status, that's what my point was regarding Eli and Cousins.
a few things 1) he didn't make four bowls 1st team as i stated, Don't even think he made 1 to be honest. he did play in a few as an alternate though. 2) he's never had to carry a team. the giants always surrounded him with talent. look how many 1st and 2nd round WRs they drafted for him. look at the run games and o-line he has had. most of his career he he's a top 5 o-line and very good players at the skill position. beckham, nicks, cruz, toomer, burris, Shockey, steve smith etc and a system that is easy on QBs. plus they had 1 year with 2 1000 RBs both over 5YPC and a 3rd RB with 500+ yards. they ran for like 3k yards that year. tiki barber who led the NFL in yards for a few years. what the giants lacked a lot of eli's years was a good back 7 on defense. but their d-line , o-line , WRs and run game have always been good. He's never had to carry the team at all. Brady does it with sub par WRs all the time. giants drafted like 8 Wrs in the 1st 3 rounds in 10 years, 1st round RBs, and had great d-lines. he seen strahan break the sack record, they had osi, tuck, JPP, and now vernon as well. perennial pro bowl lineman like snee and a constant for head coach and OC. eli was put in the best position possible to succeed. they built around him. but it all started with them drafting and supporting him. something we don't do. So yes while his career numbers are great, it's more of a testament to starting midway through his 1st season, getting support from his team, and his ability to stay healthy. he's the NFL current iron man for longest active streak of games played in a row. stick around long enough and that happens. testeverde had great career numbers as well but he was never a great QB. he was mediocre with a few good seasons. Just like eli. eli compares better to him. yeah he gets credit for rings, but rings don't mean everything. how many players have rings that sucked? quite a few. and marino one of the best QBs all time has none. elway didn't get any until the end of his career when he finally had some help around him. I never said kirk was brady status. lets face it. no QB in history compares to brady right now. But i'd take kirk over eli anyday. The one thing I will give eli credit for though is despite being mediocre over his career. in general he's played very well in the playoffs
Once again, we will have to agree to disagree SBG, I have seen everything you have said about the Giants. Including the bad secondary play that cost the Giants leads and forced them to become one dimensional because they had to come from behind. Those are the reason I would take Eli, over Kirk. 13 years vs 2 years, I'll take the guy with the proven body of work. I'm not saying or hoping that Kirk isn't successful, I'll be happy for him if he becomes a FQB, I'm just going with the proven and I wouldn't want the jets to give up the house for a guy like him when he has only had 2 good years.
and when eli throws 25 picks (like he's done before) you would be the 1st shitting on him. eli is a turnover machine, same reason we got pissed at fitz this year. eli has had seasons just as bad as fitz played for us in 2016. Even the giants own coach this off season called out eli's bad play and said it was a miracle the giants won 11 games with all of eli's turnovers. So his own coach can realize how bad he was playing but you can't?
Fitz is a career bottom dweller, I never wanted Fitz as a Jets QB, and I did not say Eli did not have bad years. Eli's coach has to spread the blame, it's his job to spark a fire under these guys, the article you quoted also said that some of the TO were caused by a weak offensive line that allowed a lot of pressure on Eli. It's not going to change how I feel about Eli, it's not always about the stats. Give Kirk a couple of years and see if he ends up with a career as average as Eli's
it's not that we refuse to bring in a guy who hasn't proven to be the next Montana, we just don't wanna bring in a guy who has proven he'll never be Montana.
