What's to say that the OG is the BPA? Just because he's rated by the media as worthy of a first round pick, or even by your Scouting Dept. doesn't mean that there isn't someone better sitting there at your pick. Your rationale is screwy.
The Steelers, the Eagles, and the Cowboys win a lot more games than us in part because they take guards in the first round and we have not done so in a very long time. You are the one who has it backwards.
The Steelers, Eagles, and Cowboys win more games than us because of their coaches and QBs, not because they take guards in the first round. Cowher, Tomlin, Roethlisberger, Reid, McNabb, Romo, and Prescott are the reason, not their guards.
And their Tackles and Centers. When you're good taking a G in the first round is a luxury, and/or the player is exceptional also. We need a LT
Patriots are in the Super Bowl , we played them twice and I cannot name 2 guys on that line! You dont need pro bowlers although it would be nice to have the Cowboys line , you need guys that can be coached , can play in a system and play well , hopefully we find them by July !
Luke Joeckel may still be salvageable at OT and Garry Gilliam from SEA played better later in the season once he got his job back. Gilliam can continue the tradition of acquiring and getting some success from former SEA offensive linemen.
How many games did they win with Logan Mankins before trading the player and getting valuable draft picks in return? Damien Woody was a great center for them before he did a great job playing RT for us. They might not be a bunch of all stars but there is a reason Brady never gets as much as a hang nail. That Patriots line was good enough to get them to the SB AGAIN.
That's because they do a great job of scouting and developing OL, and NOT because they spend a bunch of #1 picks on the OL.
There is a lot of hyperbole as well as overhype when it comes to this position. Guys like Chance Warmack,Jonathan Cooper & David Decastro all in their own right's being touted as the best overall prospects in their entire draft. While acouple of those guys are good players...none are close to dominant in really any aspect. There isn't that much impactful difference between the good & say "great" guards in this league. Quite often the best NFL guard prospects are playing college Tackle..but b/c there is a position change involved they are considered lesser prospects when in reality they have the superior skill set to that of a college guard.But it gets tricky cause some guys for whatever reason can't make the transition & aren't good enough to stay at Tackle. Usually the top guard prospects coming out of college are the guys who made the fewest mistakes on tape..mainly in pass pro against the best competition. That can be very decieving. What seperates the good guards from being really great are much more intimate type details...Pulling ability,heavy hands for driving blocking,quickness off snap,Quick hands via point of attack etc. Just my opinion..but this position requires some of the more difficult evaluation the sport has to offer...I don't think taking a guard in the 1st round is ideal unless there is a dominant aspect of the prospect's game which their rarely is otherwise they'd be playing tackle or perhaps even Defense on the college level.There's been quite a few 1st round busts at guard over ther years..so there really is no safety net in drafting one early..when you factor in how difficult an evaluation it is you better be darn sure of your scouting if you take a guy round #1...and he better offer something dominant about his game that is tangible.
We seem to be going in circles but if guards were so easy to find later in the draft why can't we ever seem to find one there? Dakota Dozier anyone? Without a solid offensive line the precious QB you draft in round one will get injured, run into his guard's butt, get the ball stripped, or otherwise disappoint.
There are numerous reasons why the Jets may have had trouble being consistent or finding players in the draft. To begin with how many people have been in charge of the draft for the last 25 years? Pre-Parcells (?), Parcells, Bradway, Tanny/Mancini/Rex, Idzik, Mac. How many different HCs and CSs have we had over that time, with shifting OL blocking philosophies? It's hard to find any talent when your GM ignores certain position groups (OL, OLB, WR), isn't an experienced personnel man, and has an inept Scouting Dept. It doesn't help either when he routinely trades away multiple picks in multiple drafts and you only have 3-5 draft picks. Tanny treated middle and lower round draft picks like they were nothing. That's why the team wound up with no depth and STs units that suck. It also doesn't help that when you draft them, your CS doesn't appreciate them or know how to develop/get the best out of them. In addition, when the GM/HC bring in vets like Faneca and have a excellent starter on the other side of the line like Moore, why do you need to draft an OG? All that said, let's take a look at the Jets' record of drafting OGs over the last 25 years, and see how accurate your claim is. 2015 Jarvis Harrison, 5th Rd. - waived, spend some time on the Jets PS, was waived again, and just signed a Reserve/Futures contract with the Bucs 2014 Dakota Dozier, 4th Rd. - He didn't play in his rookie season, appeared in 5 games in 2015, and started 2 of the 13 games he appeared in this past season. 2013 Brian Winters, 3rd Rd.; Oday Aboushi, 5th Rd.; William Campbell, 6th Rd. - Winters has started 41 of 51 games he has appeared in for the Jets over the last 4 seasons and has steadily improved. Oday has started 8 of the 11 games he's appeared in with the Texans over the last 2 seasons. Campbell has never appeared in an NFL game, but is on the Titans Roster. 2012 Robert T. Griffin, 6th Rd. - is playing for the Dallas Marshals of Champion Indoor Football (CIF). 2010 Vlad Ducasse, 2nd Rd. - After his stint with the Jets, has played for the Vikings, Bears and now the Ravens. He has started 30 of the 89 games he has appeared in his 7-year NFL career. 2009 Matt Slauson, 6th Rd. - Started his last 3 seasons with the Jets not missing a game. Went on to Da Bears where he started all 37 games he appeared in over the next 3 seasons, then started all 16 games last season for the Chargers. 2008 Nate Garner, 7th Rd. - Garner didn't make the Jets, but signed with the Dolphins where he has started 19 of 74 games in his 6 year NFL career. He is out of the NFL now at age 32. 2007 Jacob Bender, 7th Rd. - Bender appeared in only 2 games for the Jets his rookie season, then was release. He was on the Niners for the 2008 season, but didn't play and is not out of the NFL. 2002 Jonathan Goodwin, 5th Rd. - didn't start many game for the Jets until 2005, then they let him walk in FA I believe. He He then played for the Saints for 5 years. He didn't start much his first 2 years with them, then was a solid starter the next 3 not missing a start. He then moved onto the Niners where he started for 3 more years not missing a start. His last season he started 14 of 14 games back with the Saints. 2002 Brandon Moore, UDFA - Need I say moore? I believe he played in NFL Europe his rookie season, then in 2003 he only appeared in 3 games, starting 1 of them. In 2004 he started all 13 games he appeared in. From 2005 - 2012 he started all 16 games every season. 2001 Tupe Peko, 7th Rd. - Didn't make the Jets but started 9 of 27 games he played for the Colts over the next 3 seasons. 1999 Randy Thomas, 2nd Rd.; David Loverne, 3rd Rd.; JP Machado 6th Rd. Thomas started 61 of 61 games in his 4-year career with the Jets, but asked for ridiculous money, and was allowed to leave and sign with the Redskins. He spent the last 7 years of his career with them starting 82 out of 82 games. Loverne spent 3 seasons with the Jets appearing in 32 games, but never starting one. He then spent a season with the Redskins where he started 11 of 15 games. The following season he appeared in one game for the Rams. The last two seasons of his career, he started 13 of 15 games (all in 2004) for the Lions. Machado spent 5 seasons with the Jets starting 15 of 69 games. 1998 Doug Karczewski, 5th Rd. - Great pick by that renowned grocery shopper Parcells. Spent one season with the Jets and was out of the NFL. 1997 Lamont Burns, 5th Rd. - Burns started 3 of the 4 games he appeared in his rookie (and only) season with the Jets. He spent the next season with the Redskins, and then was out of the NFL. 1995 Matt O'Dwyer, 2nd Rd. - O'Dwyer spent 4 seasons with the Jets where he started 50 out of 60 games. He then moved on to the Bengals for 5 seasons where he started 55 out of 58 games. He finished his career with the Bucs in 2004, appearing in 4 games. Overall, I'd say the Jets have done a pretty darned good job of finding useful OGs in the middle and lower rounds of the draft over the years, and haven't been nearly as bad as you claim.
Looks like the Jets have done a pretty decent job training OGs for decent careers with other teams, you mean?
You surely don't expect them to train them to stay here and help the team succeed do you? That's just being silly!
That's a different issue that saying we haven't drafted OGs in the lower rounds or haven't done a good job drafting them that low. We have. We just haven't smart enough to keep them.
If you want a good OL, you need good coaches. The Jets have not had good coaching for a long time. The teams you mention as always having good OL - and you forgot to include the Broncos who somehow make anyone they use at RB into a Pro Bowler - have good coaching. And of course in order to have good coaching, you need good management and ownership, and the Jets have lacked that for decades. We fans are praying for band aids to staunch sucking chest wounds.
The best of the comments include drafting down (IMO) and trying to pick up an edge rusher in the 2nd-3rd round. With Kevin Green now on the coaching staff for LB'ers, maybe we can develop a good one. The pick up of CB's should come next, but our coaches are deficient. A good tight end should be next and finally Ol guards and tackles.
Regarding the oline it looks like waiting a round or 2 will likely be what happens. I never thought I would warm up to this but everywhere I read it seems OJ Howard is a hell of a blocker and an added bonus he's the next coming of Gronk. May not be a completely bad idea to get a 3 down TE who can help the offensive line and be a huge receiving threat and the qbs safety net on every offensive down. TE in first round seems like a bad idea but this could make sense.
I think a trade down would be more ideal. If we could grab him and get an extra pick to shore up the oline in the 2nd or 3rd round I'm thinking that looks like a win win. Sure a TE is considered a luxury but if your getting a premium player at the position it's hard to argue I would think anyways. It's not like we're talking about a fullback or kicker here lol.
