Jets mock using drafwired

OK, I'll bite. I can't respond to all of your picks because I haven't had time to watch that much college ball this year. I love the #1 and #3 picks (Adams and Kamara), and HATE the #2 pick. Kizer is one of the last QBs I'd take in this draft. The 6th round is too late to take a CB and I think they'd be better off taking someone who can contribute on STs in the 7th round rather than an OG. I like that you picked an OT and a TE, but don't know either player.

 

Whew a FS at #6? I wouldn't do that with a gun to my head. He better be Earl Thomas with Jack Tatum hitting. I think your other projection of Mahomes at Rd 2 is better than Kizer. Notre Dame hasn't developed a QB since Joe Montana and really I think 2nd is way high for that guy. The rest of your draft I really like. Targets all our needs whether they hit on them is another isssue.

 

Kizer pick would be just bad. We just can't have a whole team full of headaches. Somebody has to break out and right this ship. I'm hoping its Petty.

 

I'm not up on all the QB college prospects - I can only look at Youtube videos to form some halfway intelligent opinion on certain ones I have'nt seen. Having said that - I think Kiser and Mahomes are better gambles in the later rounds than Watson. But according to Walterfootball.com they have Kiser listed as the #1 QB . He may not make it to the 2nd.

Edit: Having viewed highlites of the ND/ Michigan State game - can see the enormous potential this kid Kiser has. But at #1 - this is a weak year for QB's for sure.

 

In principle, I would agree that you shouldn't have a fixed objection to taking a game-changing player, regardless of position, but that said, there are differences in impact. The best S or CB in the world doesn't make the same impact as the best QB or RB, or pass rusher for that matter. Now, if you can't get one of those positions where you're drafting, and the BPA is S or CB, okay, but I don't think that's the case this year. If the Jets could trade up to get Watson, they should, if Trubisky falls to them at #6, they should grab him. If neither of those happen, then Fournette or Cook will make a bigger impact than Adams or Hooker IMO.

I don't know if we've seen enough of Petty in a starting role to really judge. I agree that the plug needs to be pulled on Hackenberg, especially if they can get someone better in the draft. Sign an affordable vet QB and go with Petty, the vet and the rookie. From what I've heard, Mahomes is boom or bust material. If they can't get Watson or Trubisky, then he sounds like he's worth a pick later on, and dump Hackenberg.

And if they can find a stud pass rusher, and/or upgrade the pass rush significantly, that will also improve the secondary as they won't have to hold their cover for as long.

There are too many holes to fill in just one draft or FA/trading period, although I really would like a magic wand to transform them RIGHT NOW.

 

Be real, the Jets are not going to dump Hackenberg after sitting on the bench for just 1 year - a 2nd round pick? Not going to happen ...no way no how. There's no QB in this present draft that will transform the Jets to instant winners in 2017, forget that. Better off using that magic wand to turn Joe Namath to 22 years old and starting him.

 

Is there ANY player that will make them "instant winners"? And I never said they would be instant winners by drafting a QB. What I said was that if a FQB is availabel to them, they need to get him, and fill the rest of the many holes after that.

And yes, they might just dump Hackenberg if the reports of his lack of progress are true. I don't know that they are, but if he can't make an impact right now, he's a luxury they can't afford. Does that mean they'll cut him? I don't know. Macc drafted him, and may not want to admit such a terrible mistake, but that doesn't mean keeping him is the right thing to do either.

 

Yes, I would gamble on Watson. He has the physical tools and more importantly the character and winning attitude the Jets need. He went toe-to-toe with Alabama two years in row and did great. I don't know what else he could do to prove he's a legit FQB. Is he a "slam dunk"? No, but who really is? But what makes me say go for him this year is that I don't believe the Jets will be in a position next year to draft one of the 2018 "super class" of QBs because I think they'll go 4-12 or 5-11 and that will put them out of range of the top 5 picks.

Of course, to get Watson they'll have to somehow trade up, which is a long shot, and maybe next year they would have better trading chips to trade up if they need to. I'm just saying that the sooner they can fill the QB slot with a franchise guy, the better off they are.

I would be more comfortable, if they can't get Watson or Trubisky, if they take Fournette or Cook to reduce the pressure on whoever they use at QB this year. I wouldn't spend the #6 pick on any DB this year. I would trade down if I couldn't get the QB or RB I wanted, and probably take Ramczyk, and then look for the best RB in the early 2nd Round, and then a pass rusher with my next pick.

 

If he does well at the combine, it will almost certainly mean that Cleveland, SF, or the Bears grab him, so if the Jests want him they're going to have to trade up. I understand your POV, and it's the safer, and more traditional course, especially since Watson isn't guaranteed to succeed (although really no player is). I just have a hunch that he's the right guy. As you said, we'll just have to wait and see. Thanks for your thoughts.

 

I would like for you to show me a link, anywhere that indicates any hint of the Jets dumping Hackenberg. The odds are that happening are 10,000 to one if I were a betting man. I read this as strictly your guess, and a wild one at that.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...rce-qb-christian-hackenberg-article-1.2936447

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-j...r-qb-christian-hackenberg-appear-to-be-fading

While neither of these articles - nor any that I could find - come out and say directly, "The Jets are going to drop Hackenberg", they do indicate that SOME in the Jets organization aren't happy with his progress. Does this mean he's going to get dumped? Of course not, it's my OPINION, something that we all freely give here and elsewhere. If you don't agree with it, fine. Don't get your panties in a knot. Just because I exercised my right to share my POV doesn't make it a reality. As a Penn State fan, I would love to see him make it and as a Jets fan I would love for him to become the next Joe Willie, but from what I'm hearing - limited as that is - those hopes don't have much chance of becoming reality.

 

I dont get why people are freaking out about that though. To find an elite QB takes time. If neither is on the roster then we keep on drafting. I think since this isnt a great draft for QBs + we need to see what we have in ours that we don't draft a QB this year. But we should next year we should if neither progresses.

 

I tried draftwired out. As a guest, it will only let me do 3 rounds. It has players rated very differently than what I have seen/heard.

In the simulator, the Browns take Trubisky #1 every time. The Niners take Garrett #2 every time, the Bears take Jonathan Allen #3 every time, and the Jaguars take Malik Hooker #4 every time. The Titans pick switches up. The 1st time they took Mike Williams, but the next 3 times they took Reuben Foster.

The first time I traded down one spot with the Chargers and got their #7, #112 and #152 picks. I took Ramczyk at #7, took Gareon Conley in the 2nd round and took Charles Harris, OLB in the 3rd.

The 2nd time I had a choice between Jamal Adams, Mike Williams, and Leonard Fournette in the 1st round and took Mike Williams. In the 2nd round it was tough, Marlon Humphrey was the 2nd or 3rd highest-rated at that point and addressed a need, but I don't know if he would be a fit or not. Most of the CBs whose names I recognized from posters had been taken earlier. Awuzie was rated much lower. I took Humphrey over Cam Robinson. In the 3rd round I took Forrest Lamp

1. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
2. Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
3. Forrest Lamp, OG, W. Kentucky

The third time my draft was

1. Derek Barnett, OLB, Tennessee
2. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
3. Forrest Lamp, G, W. Kentucky Awuzie, Jourdan Lewis and TreDavius White were all ranked much lower or I would have taken one of them

My last time using their rankings, the Browns took Garrett, SF took Trubisky, the Bears took Hooker, the Jags took Allen and the Titans took Williams again. I could have taken Foster, Adams, or Fournette, but I traded down to #9 just to see what I would get. The Bengals gave up the #9, #73, and # picks. I traded down to get Barnett, Adams or McKinley, but got screwed because the Bengals took Barnett, the Chargers took Adams, and the Panthers, who had been taking a RB every time, took McKinley. Fournette was sitting there as the BPA, but I took Foster the #2 over Teez Tabor (#3) and Dalvin Cook (#4). When I did the Bills took Deshaun Watson (he went anywhere from the 20s in the 2st round to the 2nd round around pick #5 in the drafts I did.

1. Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama
2. I let the computer pick to see what it would do and it selected Adam Bisnowaty, OT of Pitt
3. Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss

 

I think the "freaking out" comes from not having an elite QB since Namath, and having tried a lot of different approaches to address that over the years. It almost seems that the Jets are incapable of finding/developing/signing an elite QB. That's mostly unfounded frustration on my part, but I don't have an answer to why they can't seem to have a great QB. Call it the "Curse of Joe Willie". So, I'm among the many who are desperate - "freaking out" - for that FQB. You almost cannot even reach the SB, let alone win it, without one. So until you fill that, all the rest of the time and effort and money is wasted, or at best a panacea for the fans, giving them the ILLUSION that you're trying to win, while you still rake in money.

Like I said, I'm willing to give Perry and Hack a shot, but they - or someone - had better produce SOON.