given our draft record. For although McNeil and O'Brien I liked, this needs to be updated to include Gholston, Sanchez, Coples, Hill, both Ellis's, Nugent, D Robertson, Hobson, Bryan Thomas ...
I'm not as down on Mac as others are. I think his drafts so far are good not great but good in 2 years we've drafted Leonard Williams , Lorenzo Mauldin , Deon Simon, Darren Lee, Jordan Jenkins, Justin Burris, Brandon Shell, Lac Edwards, & Charone Peake.. not to mention 2 QB prospects and a WR who blew out his knee and had major knee surgery and missed almost all his sophomore season. Again good pretty good for the Jets.
2000 - Does James Farrior be considered as a bust? Four crappy years, one good year, then we let him walk. Then kicked ass for Steelers. 2008 - Gholston...enough said. Noteable players we missed on that year: Jerod Mayo, Chris Johnson, Jordy Nelson, DeSean Jackson, Jamaal Charles. But we traded picks and got Keller, who was decent but some health issues. 2010 - Holy shit. Kyle Wilson, Vladimir Ducasse, Joe McKnight, John Conner. Our only picks that year and they all sucked. 2012 - Coples busted out. But wait, we followed that up second round with Stephen Hill. 2013 - Milliner, Geno (To some extent. Hasn't played with a good team so it's hard to say objectively). 2014 - Amaro, McDougle, Saunders, Evans. All I wanted that year was Clinton-Dix. A can't miss player. And we took Pryor instead.
Williams = stud. Smith = likely bust. Mauldin = situational OLB, regressed this year. Petty = likely backup QB. Harrison = bust, no longer on Jets. Simon = backup. Lee = one of the worst ILBs in football. Hack = can't hit broad side of barn. Jenkins = solid starter, good value pick. Burris = backup with promise. Shell = backup with promise. Edwards = bottom 10 punter. Peake = backup with promise. Doesn't look good to me.
If you keep having to sign vet FA's it means you're not doing the job you should be doing in the draft. I'll reserve judgement on the new personnel structure until I see where the teams talent has come from in 2 years. If it's vet free agents the Jets are relying on at that point, well then the FO didn't do the real job of building the team. We need to build the team. Vet FA's are like 2 years of happy time and then a hangover that can last half a decade.
I like that there's talk of a plan, but teams with a good plan don't generally spend big in FA. If they believed in their drafts then they would have been patient and waited for those players to develop than hand out bad contracts like candy.
I don't see it that way. I think Mauldin shows promise maybe not a pro bowl OLB , but has to stay healthy. Simon showed a lot of promise this season he's a backup at a stacked position. As for the 2016 picks I'm not even close to saying Lee is one of the worst LBs in the league. Hack the only time I saw him play was in the preseason and besides the int he threw to a dropping D-linemen I thought he looked pretty good. Shell looks like a promising starting RT & Peake looks like a future #2 to me.....but they were all rookies so who knows
Mac needs to hit a few home runs this draft.. He needs to hit on a 2nd rounder ffs!!! 3rd round too.. These players need to be starters if ur gonna have any chance in a cap world!
The issue with vet FAs is who are you targeting. Are you targeting the guy generally perceived as one of the best at his position? In that context, if the vet FA doesn't perform to level (and they frequently do not), then not only are you paying them a boat load of money, along with significant guarantees, but you're also buying yourself salary cap problems and significant dead money hits when you eventually cut them. For the most part, Macc has avoided pursuing these types of FAs, wih the exception of Revis. The more sensible approach is to get vet FAs that are viewed as good players to fill holes, but not great players (especially ones who might fit well into the system). Good players are significantly cheaper; you don't get into as many bidding wars, and they don't get long-term guarantees. These are the types of FAs the jets have generally pursued under Macc. They typically are well paid, but often less than half of what a best at his position player is paid and their guarantees are generally limited to 1-2 years. This gives Macc a lot of room to maneuver and if the player doesn't work out then they can just be cut. Macc has signed a lot of these types of players - Skrine, Carpenter, Gilchrist all come to mind as starters. These are sensible signings and the only types of FAs Macc should generally pursue. The only exception to that might be CBs because they play such a key role in Bowles defense and that's why he signed Revis and kept Cromartie for the first year.
Hopefully Mauldin will get better, he's a hard worker. Lee was brought here as a passing downs specialist, but he's repeatedly gotten torched in coverage. In the last preseason game, Hack was 11/31 for 54 yards and a pick 6. Stats can be misleading, but I can't see how 54 yards in 31 attempts can look anything but horrible. Also, I watched the game, and I saw Hack missing checkdowns, which was alarming. He was a little better in the previous game but not impressive; he still couldn't complete half his passes. Simon, Shell, and Peake have potential, but every team has rookies and sophomores with potential.
Maybe I'm just a glass half full guy but I feel good about the kids we have . As for Lee I think they're playing him out of position. They need to start using him more in a Deon Buchanan role or more as a weak side LB in a 4-3 At the end of the day our drafts look way better then they usually do
This is the curse of low standards. Seattle between 2010 and 2012 drafted the following players: Russell Okung Earl Thomas Golden Tate Kam Chancellor KJ Wright Richard Sherman Bruce Irvin Bobby Wagner Russell Wilson Now that is a great run. Ours is average. There is probably one player we drafted on that list who even belongs in the same company as the nine that the Seahawks drafted. Get back to me when Mac hits at least one more home run.
I get the feeling that McCagnan will go down in history as the guy who spent a 2nd round pick on Christian Hackenberg. Just like Terry Bradway is best remembered as the guy who spent a 2nd round pick on Mike Nugent.
Nugent and Doug Jolley was the same draft. Instead of just keeping our first round pick and drafting Heath MIller he decided to get cute and trade it to the Oakland Raiders for Doug Jolley and their 2nd which netted us Mike Nugent. Bradway was just a hideous GM. Who trades two first round picks to move up for a defensive tackle and then ends up drafting the wrong one (Kevin Williams went two picks after DFat).
Bryan Thomas was a good Jet. He I still have hope in Lee. He is still very young and I think eventually he will succeed once he plays for a coach who knows what he's doing
Pretty much. I think Lee will get a lot better. I don't know whose genius idea it was to take a rover linebacker and decide it would be his job in his rookie year to try to go man to man with teams best tightends or slot receivers. With that being said, he ultimately got killed by Jimmy Graham but he was literally all over the guy all game long he just made spectacular plays. That doesn't help his case because on the surface he still got 'roasted.' I don't like the Lee pick anymore than anyone else, and it seemingly made no sense at the time while having Bowles written all over it. BUT I think he can be a solid player in this league. His ceiling can still be Thomas Davis IMO. Mac's drafts have been horrible up to this point. They'll look a lot better if Shell slides into the starting lineup and Jenkins/Mauldin can combine for 10+ sacks. It's painful knowing Danielle Hunter. He tied for third in the league in sacks this year at 12.5. That's elite first rounder production. I *guess* Maccagnan had the right idea in trying to build his Steeler-esque pipeline of outside linebackers but these guys need to start producing. He also needs to look long and hard (heh) at his theory of only drafting offensive lineman late. It's only a good theory if you're hitting. He's already missed on Harrison. Shell looked horrible in preseason but solid in the regular season action he saw. We'll see if he can nail down the starting job.
This is all true however the really good organizations maybe pick up one free agent a year who is expected to play a big role. The Jets have signed 75 free agents over the last 16 seasons who were both vets, with 3 or more seasons of play, and expected to step in and play a starting or rotational role in the season they were signed. That's like 4.7 a year and I'm not including K's and P's in the number because everybody gets their special teams guys that way.
