one more opinion....... http://turnonthejets.com/2016/01/jets-statistics-2015-2016/#more-30725 7. Despite his value and the Jets desire to bring him back, Damon Harrison only played 54% of the Jets defensive snaps last season. There is a limit too how much you can pay for somebody who is only on the field half of the time.
That stat isn't that alarming or important because Damon Harrison has one job to do - stop the run.( go look around the league, and I bet you it's similar to many run stuffing Nt. ( top ones get six million per year to do that) You want to get an offense in second and long and make them one dimensional on offense- as fast as possible. 70% of the time defenses are in the nickel .( passing league ) and kind of surprise he played in that many snaps. The Jets get rid of Snacks let's see How Sheldon Richardson holds up to two 320 pound offense lineman blocking him.( Snacks was hard to move with two guys blocking him- that isn't something to dismiss so easily. Teams start ripping off five to six yards a carry, it isn't going to matter what you have rushing the Qb,( never going to get a chance to use them). You think Tom Brady would have took the beating if his team was able to run the football a little bit.
You are correct. The low number of snaps is a direct endorsement of his effectiveness. Snacks is directly responsible for forcing offenses in to 3rd and long and other dire passing situations. He is also directly responsible for teams abandoning the run all together and becoming one-dimensional. For example, NE ran the ball 3 times and passed the ball 40+ times. Belicheck didn't even TRY to run on Snacks. Belicheck could'a left his RBs home to shovel out Tom Brady's driveway. Think about it. If Snacks were a 3-down player, that would just mean he failed to stuff the run and has to stay on the field to help defend 3rd/4th and short.
All things considered I think retaining Snacks is better/best. A premier NT is a building block, a first among equals DE is not. At most we only get a few million out of restructures and those mortgage the future so are just bad ideas. Cutting as close to the bone as possible brings us in the neighborhood of 25 m in cap space. Those cuts would leave us with 17 or so empty roster spots. Rookies fill 6 but of course they have to be paid as well. Whenever I look at the math the path ahead looks set in stone.
he doesn't get enough field time to get a big contract (for his position) from us.. we have 3 DE's that can can play DT for us on any given run down. Love snacks but it's just not as huge as a priority to sign him back as it may seen. I think we'll be perfectly fine without snacks tbh
A 1 dimensional NT should not gander anymore than 6M a year. So if Snacks wants more than that he's absolutely gone. One thing that maybe already confirmed is that Snacks already rejected a contract of 5M annually. Now, I don't know how long you've been a fan, but go back to training camp. Bowles specifically said Snacks will more more chances to rush the passer. So he's completely worthless as a 3rd down pass rusher. The top NTs are on the field on all 3 downs, which again is a another reason why Snacks shouldn't even be mentioned in the same category. Terrance Knighton, a similar player earns 4.5M a year. This makes Mo the far more important player to resign. To waste 7M on a 2 down player is complete mismanage of the cap.
Not to mention you think about a guy like Haloti Ngata who could not only give you 5 sacks a year but was an important component on passing downs because he ate up blockers in passing situations or else he'd bowl right over a center to the quarterback. Harrison doesn't do that. He's very blockable with one offensive lineman in a passing situation and gets absolutely no push. I'm in firm agreement with you. No way I give him too much money to stay. He's very good at what he does but overpaying one dimensional player is a cap recipe for disaster. He'll also be 28 by mid season next year. How long can a 345 pound body hold up?
If he hasn't been able to rush the passer now, he will never be able to do so more than likely. I hate to say it, but this draft class is extremely deep on the defensive line. Wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a NT in the later rounds as a heir apparent. I really like Snacks as well - maybe we can sign and trade him to Cleveland or something. The Jets can find a replacement and can also run more 4 man fronts with Wilk and Sheldon as DTs to off-set the loss of Snacks. At least we would have Wilk, Sheldon and Leonard on the field at the same time.
Who says we can afford to keep Wilk? Unless you want to go into the season with Petty at QB and no starting LT paying Mo will be a neat trick.
I think we can afford to resign Mo, Fitz and Powell along with our draftees and some extra space for special teams. Everyone is talking about this 16M a year cap figure, but the majority of contract issues is in regards to the guaranteed money in the deal, so I wonder how much the Jets were offering. Brick is going to restructure and the Jets can do that by lowering the cap # and transferring that cash into a bonus instead. So the question is 7M for a 2 down lineman, or 12 to 13M for a 3 down 2nd team all pro player? If the Saints can sign big time free agents, while having Brees under a ridiculous cap figure, so can the Jets.
couple of points . First Terrance Knighton- only reason he received 4.5 million because of his own fault. He played free agency all wrong. Not to mention let his emotions get the better of him. He could easily got 6 million per year, and long term contract. He had to settle for one year contract after he waited too long( over priced himself out of the market) and teams that were heavily pursuing him went in another direction. Didn't have that many choices left , and had to take whatever he could get.( won't make the same mistake this year in freeagency) Here the point that 6 million player last year in Fa, might cost 7 million this year.( cap increasing so much= Players salaries going up.) Snacks is getting seven million from some team for one reason and one reason only. To Stop the run - put the opposing offense in second and long. It's immaterial that he can't rush the passer. Teams bring in Nt / Dt on known passing downs in to rush the passer.( total different player that offense lineman must adjust for) . A lot of teams do this- so I don't know why you're trying to hold Snacks to a different standard . Snacks is gone from the Jets who is playing Nt. Sheldon Richardson ? Let's see the 6'4 350 Snacks who doesn't budge against double team blocks , do you see the 6'2 295 pound Sheldon Richardson being as effective against thedouble team blockers. You start to get gashed in the running game, and it doesn't matter who you have as pass rushers. ( never get to use them- or get in downs that lets your pass rushers pin your ears back and go after the Qb- could run for the first down. Bowles understand the importance of Snacks- how important he is to the defense. If it comes down to Wilkerson or Snacks . I Think he says goodbye to Wilkerson. Your top pass rusher in 3-4 defense should not be your De.( Something wrong) the olb's should be your top pass rusher. Should have a Malik Jackson type De in 3-4 defense , who going to prevent a Qb from stepping up in the pocket- so your outside lb ( top pass rushes -can get him) . The Jets keeping this status quo of three to four Dt's rushing the Qb- isn't going to be enough. You need quick twitch athletes rushing the Qb who get there a lot faster.
The only problem is the Jets aren't playing last year cup cake schedule. You think just doing what you suggest is going to be enough to make them a playoff team. You need to re-watch last year games against the good teams. ( where was Wilkerson , and the other three down lineman putting pressure on the Qb). Muhammad Wilkerson 12 sacks is fools gold. He won't have more than 8 sacks in 2016( against way better competition).
The rest of the league understands the dynamic nature of a really good 3-4 defensive end vs. a 2 down nose tackle. Pittsburgh just resigned Cam Heyward, and Arizona signed Calais Campbell a couple years ago while letting their very good nose tackle Dan Williams walk. There was no drop off for Arizona's run defense and Pittsburgh's entire front 7 is centered around their elite defensive end. The fundamental problem in your argument is that your not realizing how much more replaceable Snacks is than Mo is. Maybe we give up 10 more yards a game on the ground. I'd rather keep the guy who has two double digit sack years, than overpay a very replaceable NFL position.
While Snacks (the best DT in the NFL) is not replaceable, Wilkerson has ALREADY BEEN replaced by a young man known as Leonard Williams.
You never acquire free agents based on the schedule. They were pretty much a playoff team this past season, they just didn't execute down the stretch. Having a 2 down lineman under a 7M cap figure is not how you improve the football team. And LOL fools gold? He had 10 sacks a few seasons prior to that, he's a 2 time 2nd team all pro. Maybe you need to re-watch the games because Snacks isn't in on 3rd down, and Snacks gets 0 pressure on the QB. You are just arguing just to argue at this point.
I'm not reading all of this, but I encourage you to read back on this thread for all answers on how to replace Snacks. Jets don't even run a 3-4 on passing downs, that's why there are different packages and formations. No self respecting franchise pays 7M for a 2 down lineman.
What? The guy who got replaced by Leonard Williams is named Sheldon Richardson.....we slid him over to replace a guy named Quinton Coples. That Mo Wilkerson character played all year in the same spots he has played in his whole career here.
That "best" label you're throwing around is usually reserved for players that dominate in every situation. You saw the stat. He only plays 54% of snaps and does he even have a career sack? He's a good run defender. Nothing more. Not worth anymore than $4.5 million. It's not that he's not a good player. It's that he's a luxury for a team that has to choose between him and a guy who can stop the run AND rush the passer. There's too many teams out there with $50+ million in cap space for us to even have a chance to compete to sign him. You think his agent doesn't know that?
Harrison is a "young" 28 though. He came to football later than most guys. Didn't even try football until senior year of HS, played off and on at an NAIA school. Sat the bench his rookie year in the NFL. Now he plays in just running situations. So he definitely doesn't have even close to the amount of wear & tear on him that most 28 year old players do. Him holding up wouldn't even be a concern of mine at all. --- Idk about him. I get both arguments as it pertains to him. I understand the thought that you shouldn't give big money to a one dimensional NT when you got to pay other guys on the line. I always assumed he would be gone in FA all along because of that. But I also understand ohnogeno's argument that stopping the run is pretty damn important. Also NE paid the one dimensional Wilfork for years and look what he did for that team. Getting the opponent in 2nd and 3rd and long situations is huge for the success of a team and Harrison is very good at forcing that. Lastly, Wilkerson is the one with a lot of trade value. Just simply looking at it from a cost/benefit scenario: Is Wilkerson alone (at more $$) better than Harrison + whatever you get in trading Wilkerson??? I don't know its a tough call but thats why I am a message board armchair GM and not sitting in McCagnan's office. Good luck to him on this call
This is where data is incorrectly perceived. Wilfork statistically wasn't a great pass-rusher but he always made the pocket collapse and had 2 offensive lineman trying to stop him. We were lucky to have Nick Mangold here to help off-set that. In 2014, Vince Wilfork played 73.9 percent of the defensive snaps in comparison to Snack's 54 percent.
