NFL salary cap will rise above $150 million in 2016 - Good for Muhammad Wilkerson negotiations?

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  1. 101GangGreen101

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    I'd say there's no chance in hell Revis restructures. I think Brick will. Mangold will be tough because he can still say he's playing at an all-pro level and should be paid as such.
     
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    Yeah Revis restructuring would be near impossible to do. I think both Brick and Mangold can restructure, if we add another year to their respective contracts and spread some of the money around. They are both still playing at a high level, maybe not the level of the 2008 and so, but doable.

    The cap is going to continue to increase, every year if not every other year. I think we got a real shot at keeping both Mo and Sheldon
     
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    it helps because it gives the jets more money but it gives everyone more money.

    it really wont matter until the day the cap goes DOWN... that will be fun. and I predict it will happen at some point in the next 10 years. it cant continue to go up. I am willing to bet that the next tv deal wont be nearly as lucrative as the last one. ESPECIALLY if they do away with this dumb ass fantasy football horseshit and the shine wears off for all the guys who really aren't football fans but just watch because they have johhny the wr guy on the lions.

    that will be a really interesting off season.
     
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    is it necessary to keep 2 guys at high prices at those positions? I honestly don't think it makes any sense to do it that way. they are great players but they really aren't the old fashioned game changers.
     
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    More $$$ for the Dolphins to spend on FA busts though :)
     
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    Restructuring, Jets can lower the salary cap hit each year by adding another year and spreading the cash out.

    If the Jets can somehow get a left tackle replacement, then I can see them doing something with Brick like cutting him, but I don't think that time is now. We have to improve other positions, Brick's cap # is too high next season though so a decision needs to be made.
     
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    Thr day that the NFL has to cut the salary cap due to lack of revenue is the day hell freezes over. Owning a franchise is a license to print money. If they do it, it will be because they are cheap.
     
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    agree, with Vilma....no way Revis restructures and there is no reason for Mangold to either.
    Dbrick may take a pay cut, but he might hard ball knowing the Jets alternatives are bleak.

    but to the OP question, i think the increase does help in signing Mo.
    fortunately we still have control of the contract with the franchise option. if we didn't, the increase would probably allow another team to overspend and get him.
     
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    holy shite, the Raiders will have 72M in available cap?
     
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    I see Mangold restructuring as a last resort. I wouldn't want to touch his contract either, but if we need cash, where else where it come from?

    And remember this isn't really a "pay-cut" but more-so better long-term security
     
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    Yeah, Bucs also have like 50M to spend too ... Raiders will be much improved next season if they make the right signings. AFC West is one hell of a division though because Brock Osweiler is playing well.
     
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    if the next tv deal isn't as astronomical as the last one they will have less revenue and will have to cut the salary cap. im pretty sure that an exact percentage of revenue has to be put into salary so they wouldn't be able to lower it unless revenue fell off.

    and I honestly cant see the tv deals continuing to go up. even simply because less people are watching tv in general. the last deal I think will be the highest one we ever see. it was so blatantly out of control at the time in my eyes.

    a company like espn cant afford those kinds of contracts like they signed with the nfl the last time, they are in a bad way these days and the broadcast channels will see ad revenue go down as well as the money they get from cable companies simply because less people are paying for tv and more are moving to an online streaming situation.

    and that's what really makes the money, the merch does good work but the lions share is from tv. even ticket sales are chump change in comparison to tv money. (I assume) and I assume it with pretty good confidence. below is an article from a few years ago going over what green bay made.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...evenue-according-green-bay-packers-financials

    on top of all of that is the fact that far less kids are playing football which will lead to far fewer kids falling in love with the game.
     
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    I actually pray the NFL becomes less popular. It's the most overexposed, unmanageable entity on the planet earth. It needs to shed some of its fan base.
     
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    The way the world works, nothing will go up forever without going down at some point. But even in the meantime, it doesn't really change much. If teams have more to spend, they will just give out even larger contracts to players to keep/sign them. We might be able to offer Wilkerson more, but so can a lot of other teams, and some might be willing to give him a retarded deal like Suh's.

    Like the guy above said, it makes no sense to spend that kind of money to keep both Wilkerson and Richardson. Let's be honest here, we (the Jets) have been wasting high picks for years now on D-Linemen. I'll be honest and admit that I liked some of those picks at the time, because they seemed like BPA, but BPA has to be tempered somewhat by needs/scheme/circumstances. Just like a team that has Aaron Rogers in his prime wouldn't spend a high first round pick on a QB, you can't just draft BPA blindly year after year.

    We run (and have run for many years now, ever since Herm Edwards left) a 3-4 defense. There is no point spending high picks and a lot of cap money on D-Linemen in a 3-4. Every once in a while you get a generational talent like Watt in there, who is worth it, but the typical elite 3-4 lineman is not worth it. His job is to take up space and blockers, stuff the running lanes, and allow the linebackers behind him to make plays. You don't need to have elite talent or athleticism to do those things. Guys like Sione Pouha can do it well, undrafted free agents like Damon Harrison and Mike DeVito can do it well. Is there a drop-off between Wilkerson/Richardson and Pouha/DeVito? Yes, absolutely, but is it a huge drop-off in terms of the impact on the game? I don't think so. These kind of guys are just not the type to apply constant pressure to the QB like a guy like Strahan or JPP (before he blew off his hand) or Justin Houston. So while they are an upgrade, they are not worth that kind of money/draft picks.

    We already spent 4 first round picks on those kinds of guys (Wilkerson, Coples, Richardson, Williams). Now the worst thing we can do is lock our team into huge contracts with them as well. If we continue running a 3-4 defense, keep Snacks for less money, and sign/draft stout 3-4 ends on much less expensive deals, and keep the money for higher impact positions. If we switch to a 4-3 down the line, one of those guys (Wilkerson/Richardson/Williams) would make a good 3-technique tackle, but we would only need one of those.
     
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    yeah Raiders might get very competitive in the near future.
    was hoping they'd cut Austin Howard, and we'd get him back on the cheap. but with that much money, i don't think they'll be looking to trim contracts.

    Chiefs really coming on right now in that division too.
     
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    FF isnt going any where sorry buddy
     
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    The best thing you can hope teams like this do are to take Miami's plan and do the exact same thing. With the proper cap allocations for that much money, specifically for the Raiders, they can become a two year juggernaut in the AFC like Miami has tried to do. Unfortunately for them (ha ha) they decided to pour all their cap dollars into a completely average quarterback and a locker room cancer at defensive tackle.

    Imagine the Raiders go out and lock up Von Miller, and sign a corner like Sean Smith/Greg Toler and/or Prince Amukamara, along with upgrading the right side of their offensive line with a player like Andre Smith? Not only would their defense with Khalil Mack/Von Miller and a revamped secondary be one of the tops in the league, but they have a youthful offense that's built to pound the ball. Scary.

    For the good of our AFC team we have to hope they invest a lot of money in guys like Matt Forte, Haloti Ngata, Eric Weddle and/or an overrated left tackle like Russell Okung (as their own Donald Penn is a free agent).

    I think it's going to be an absolute war among the teams with top cap space to get Von Miller. He's a beast and only 26 years old at one of the most premiere positions in the NFL. Should be fun to watch.
     
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    There's no way Brick should be extended imo. Granted, I haven't seen the team play that much, but based on what I have seen and what I've read about his and the team's play, he's no longer playing at that high a level, and his play has been steadily declining. IMO, he has already been overpaid for the level of play he provides. He's basically a one-dimensional LT, pass blocking. I'd love it if the Jets drafted an LT next year and he beats Brick out in camp.
     
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    Unless the Jets are able to get one of the blue chip lineman prospects, I don't see a way we upgrade the position next off-season. A decision definitely has to be made on his contract. I don't think cutting him would be the best idea.
     

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