Great revionist history here. You should work for the Bush Administration. Arguably no Jet Head coach ever had less talent to work with than Herm. The 2002 and 2003 teams were arguably the least talented teams in the NFL. How many defensive starters did we have in those 2 years that could have actually made a real NFL team. Mo Lewis no. Mavin Jones no. Beasley, Abraham, Robinson and Garnes maybe a very bad team. We had a Qb could who not throw half the throws in a normal playbook. An offensive line that could not pass block. A TE and WR in Becht and Moss who did not have the ability to catch a thrown football. No offensive playmakers, a bad OL, a terrible defense is not what I would call good talent. The best talent Herm had was in 2004 and there were still a ton of question marks with young inexpereinced players and a new defensive system. But back to the point of the thread. I would not count this team out. It may be the most talented team we have had since 2000 and we have not even drafted yet or gotten to FA. But it all comes to good QB play. No matter how much better ouir talent is one cannot win with poor QB play.
Won't miss Herm The only people who will miss Herm are you and the New York media. He was only good for a soundbite. Yeah, he motivated players, but he certainly didn't win games with his gameplanning. Plus, Herm was never a coordinator, so Mangini has him beat there. Herm was the assitant head coach/defensive backs coach with the Buccaneers. I can't wait for this new era to begin. I'm already psyched that Mangini and Tannenbaum don't give the media the time of day and only address things after they have happened. I'm excited to see what kind of game-day coach Mangini will be, and although we'll struggle for the next couple of years, I think we're in much better hands going forward. That's just my two cents.
I will say this! If he any kind of a coach then we will shock some people,because we will still have a good D.
lol, ok you made me laugh with the Bush administration comment. I should have said Herm inherited a team with more talent than any team in the NFL. The 2002 team was extremely talented. They had one of the most solid OL's in the game for most of the years Herm was here. Becht was a great blocker, and in the scheme they ran, the TE wasn't a factor anyway. They had CMart, one of the best running backs in the history of the NFL. They definately did not have the least talent at all. They have underachieved in my book.
You have to atleast give the guy a chance. I would think the guys that hired him know a tad more about his capabilities than you do. You never know what Tomarro will bring.
I would respoectfully disagree with you here. the offensive line IMO has been overrated for years. It has not been able to pass block since 2001. How many times in passing situations have we ever had time to throw. Quite rarely. Chad is almost always forced to dump the ball off to advoid a sack. The defense was absolutely terrible in 2002 and 2003 and had without question the worst defensive talent in the league those two years. Our offensive talent was never much better. We won in 2002 and other years not because of talent but because we played smart sound football. We won how bad teams beat better teams with few penalties, few turnovers and forced other teams to beat themselves. Our defense was not good enough in those years to be on the many field many plays. We had to protect them and keep them off the field. I have never seen a team play and win more on emotion and a lot of luck than that 2002 team did. It was a very bad team but it still won.
Chad dumps off the ball because that is what he is comfortable doing. Defense wasn't bad in 02, but herm made them play a cover 2 which totally didn't utilize what talent they did have. In 03, they got really old, and the talent was low. Our offense was very good talent-wise, and under-utilized by Herm's ultra conservative mentalitity on offense.
Again I disagree but I respect your opinion. Chad dumps the ball off because he is about to be killed. The defense was terrile in 2002. The offense and the defense benefited greatly by conservative playcalling. We did not have the talent on offense or defense to open up the play calling. 2003 is a great example of what happens when we open the play calling up. 12 Ints and 8 fumbles by chad in 9 games and the consequence of exposing the defense by leaving them on the field for more plays. This team has won and only won because of low penalties, low turnovers, and a conservative offense despite the lack of talent. If Mangini takes the gloves off of Chad expect to see that Deer in the headlights look, many fumbles, many sacks and another 4 win season.
Your kidding right? As much as I liked Herm and YES I was a Herm supporter 1. the Herm era is over and 2. Herm for all his good work and as NICE a guy as he was, could NOT get us over the hump. He was too soft on the players and his play and game mgmt decisions were lacking. And MANY of the vet posters can tell you I was an Avid Herm supporter.
Groh was the coach when we drafted Penny, Abe, Ellis, Coles, and Becht... Then Herm's regime drafted Robertson, Moss, McKenzie (I think), Vilma, and brought in Barrett, Barton, drafted Hobson... Sure looks liek Parcells' leftovers :rofl2:
Want to know what I think? Probably not..but here goes. I think your full crap. How about that. I think you pulled that race thing out because the rest of your arguement was so poor....that you had to stoop so low to make something up. I have been at plenty of games..and if anyone ever uttered those words he would be escorted out of the place. If I were you, I would disappear back under the rock you came from.
Well that's just not true. If they were superbowl caliber, they would have at least made the playoffs one of the 2 years before Herm got here. Anyway, I thought Herm was a good coach. But he's gone now, and while I liked him, it's not like he was so good that we will be lost without him. Every indication is that Mangini is one of the bright young minds in the game, and he's learned from some of the best coaches in the league. It's not a sure thing that he'll be a good head coach, but I see no reason not to be optimistic about him. And yes, bringing race into this is rediculous.
But they didn't, so obviously they weren't even close to superbowl caliber. And I don't remember any huge moves they made before 2001 that made a non playoff team superbowl caliber.
