Ivory...Out of steam?

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  1. irishwhip03

    irishwhip03 Well-Known Member

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    o-line went from one of our biggest strengths to one of our biggest weaknesses.

    not many RB's , outside of the elite , can look good with poor blocking.
     
  2. Toronto's Biggest

    Toronto's Biggest Active Member

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    In the sense that Ivory and the run game will bounce back, I'm not discouraged either. What does discourage me though is that we have an injury-prone back being blasted behind the line 20 times a game - would rather see him on the sidelines and healthy when the OL is playing like this
     
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  3. NYJETS4life24

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    Can't blame winters. The game he started ( Dolphins) Ivory had a gewAt game.
     
  4. NYJETS4life24

    NYJETS4life24 Active Member

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    Oline needs to open up holes and we need to stop running on the first play of every drive. Or basically every first down.
     
  5. westiedog1

    westiedog1 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing wrong with Ivory and nothing wrong with the O-line. You have to realize there is a team on the other side of the ball with coaches and coordinators that get paid about the same amount of money the Jets CS gets paid and their objective is to win as well. When you game plan for the other team you have to identify your opponents strongest players and understand that these are the guys you need to contain to win. It is no secret to beat the Jets you have to stop Ivory and that's what teams are doing, or at least trying to do. Basically, teams are saying we are going to stop Ivory (if we can) and to beat us you'll have to do it with your other guys. That's what happened today. The Jets won because the offense was able to compensate for the lack of a running game by throwing the ball.......but just barely. Not going to be so easy against Buffalo.
     
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  6. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    People fail to realize that running backs need the o line to open up holes for them to run through.....
     
  7. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Part of it is definitely the Oline shitting the bed. But he has been able to bounce outside at times and he just doesn't have that second gear he had early in the season. He gets caught immediately.

    The hamstring he pulled against the Redskins is still a problem. This is why his durability issues keep him from being a full time back.

    They do need to give some carries to Ridley, although Ridley is an inside runner and I doubt he'd make a lot of difference with the shit blocking.
     
  8. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    This is where I stopped reading.
     
  9. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    Look no further an Murray in Philly for your answer.
     
  10. Get me the Damn Ball

    Get me the Damn Ball Well-Known Member

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    In hindsight, Jets should've drafted Todd Gurley
     
  11. 94Abraham

    94Abraham Well-Known Member

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    Most of it is the Olines fault but Ivory has also lost a step as well. He doesnt have that burst that he had earlier in the year. He is a step slow especially when trying to cut to the outside and gets tripped up far too easily. Ivory is definitely not 100% right now.
     
  12. talisaynon

    talisaynon Well-Known Member

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    Where is Ridley?
     
  13. b.reyes16

    b.reyes16 Well-Known Member

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    Hard to get anything going when you're hit behind the line every play. There's nothing he can really do. It's the same Ivory. Look at him on receptions when he has at least a little room in front of him. He has the same burst and ability to make his own yards, but you can only make so many when you get hit behind the line. I wouldn't say he's running out of steam. I'd say the o-line can't move people and every team we play is keying on the run because that's how you beat us. Everyone has us figured out. Stop Ivory and you have your best chance. It's been like that for years now. Stop the run game and you'll win. The only difference now is we have adequate QB play and we're talented at WR, so we're still able to put up points without getting the run game going.

    Still, we're much better when Ivory can get at least two yards downfield without being hit.
     
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  14. James Hasty

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    Although I was pleasantly surprised that Leonard Williams was available when we picked, Gurley was the player I was pounding the table for here only to be told that it is stupid to draft a RB in the first round. Also, despite a good prognosis from doctors, a lot of people on this board thought he would be fragile. Now he looks like Eric Dickerson playing in that Rams uniform.
     
  15. twown

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    The argument that teams are now keying on ivory doesn't hold water. No reason they wouldn't have been keying on him any less on opening day. The book is way open on every player on the jets offense as well as Chan Gailey in general. It's not like defenses were scared shitless of Fitzpatrick at any point.

    Ivory's not healthy. The line isn't healthy. Pretty simple.
     
  16. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    Do you repeat this line each week for every rookie that is doing well? Let me help you with a template:

    In hindsight, Jets should've drafted [insert rookie name].
     
  17. JetLifeLo

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    besides the fact that our o-line is banged up and D'Brick has fallen off drastically , teams are respecting the hell out of Ivory and sitting on top of the run. Chan needs to utilize Ivory in the screen game much more often. Also until the maulers are back on the o-line we should spread teams out a lot more. give Fitz a ton of options out in space and i trust he'll make the right choice (see that 45 yard pass catch n run to cumberland)
     
  18. APK 8

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    The fact Ivory is not breaking one on one tackles by defensive backs is a cause of concern beyond the O line issues. This has been the pattern to Ivory's career.
     
  19. TurkJetFan

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    I don't think he ran out of steam. he's too young and not enough carries. I don't think the O Line is makin the holes in the run game.
     
  20. Chadchrebet

    Chadchrebet Well-Known Member

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    I think it has to do more with Mangold. On some of the dive/blast plays he was getting hit at the line, if you saw Ivory in space he had some juice.
     

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