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i liked that speech. i dont think herm was a good X and O coach, but i dont dislike the guy like some here. i dont wish him to fail in KC, i just think he will (unless his gm gets him great players)
Trust me, it is a lock that Herm will fail in KC and never coach in the NFL again. He would be good in college or high school, but not pros.
Now if only YOU would admit that ART SHELL is from the DUH HERM school of coaching, we could move on! The guy is terrible!
LOL!!! He has been good? He took another coach's players and was able to coach them down to 3 playoff appearances in 5 years. With the talent on that team, a halfway decent coach should have gotten us further then he did. Year after year we left victories on the field...I think conservatively over the course of those 5 years, the Jets left 10 wins on the field. That certainly would have made a difference come playoff time...perhaps a bye week or extra home game would have done wonders for our team. Does all this sound familiar? It sounds like the Eagles after Buddy Ryan left. Team was coached by Rich Kotite who had similar mediocre success with Ryan's teams. Then he left to join the "Jets family"...much like Herm leaving to rejoin the "Chiefs family." Herm Edwards is just another Rich Kotite. Fortunately for us he is with the Chiefs and we managed to get a 4th rd pick for that joke. If you can't see the difference between this team's "play-to-win-the-game" mentality versus Herm's "play-not-to-lose-the-game" ways, I have no idea what football you are watching on Sundays.
DAMN Klecko73 I could not have said that any better. I feel like I should be standing giving you a high five or the wave. Herm just rode the coat tails of a pretty darn good team for as long as he could.
You aren't allowed to inherit players and win w/ them? The facts are we MISSED the playoffs the 2 years before Herm got there and we made 3 in 4 years for the ONLY time in franchise history. Kotite made ONE postseason appearance in philadelphia after he took over a team that had made it 3 straight times while Herm took over a team that had made 1 PO appearance 3 years before he took over and he guided us to 3 PO appearances in 4 years. The sitautions are very different. I know you guys don' want to give Herm any credit but facts are facts and he's the ONLY Jets HC to reach 3 postseasons and if we had all this grat talent you think we had that we won w/ in spite of Herm why did 3 HCs quit on that talent? Play to win mentality? Like blowing 3 big leads and holding on for dear life against ten, Buf and Miami? Did we "play to win"? Losing the Indy game when we should have won b/c we went for it on 4th and G from the 3 in a tie game? That's playing to win?
You think? Every team can say they should have won this game or that game but how about games we shouldn't have won that we did? and how many wins did we leave on the field in '99 and '00 when we MISSED the playoffs?
The team has a first year HC, OC and DC. We are transitioning to a new offense with no RB and 2 rookies on the OL, not to mention the starting QB coming back from not one, but two shoulder surgeries. We have a defense transitioning from a 4-3 to 3-4 without the personnel optimally suited to play a 3-4. We have a roster that dumped a bunch of overpriced vets coming off a 4-12 season. Last time I checked we are 3-3...pretty damn good considering the circumstances. You can disagree with some of the decisions Mangini has made, but you certainly can't fault him for not being aggressive. Against Indy he went for 4th & goal...against Miami he threw deep and McCareins fell down. In the next few years when the talent level comes up to a somewhat decent level, then the Jets won't have to take as many chances to win these types of games. In the interim, they are going to have to scheme to win and play the odds. That is something Herm Edwards demonstrated he was unable to do in his 5 year tenure. There is simply no way you can retain any credibility by saying that Herm Edwards, if he remained, would have this team at 3-3. The Jets have been winning on smoke & mirrors this year. Herm simply doesn't have the coaching accumen to accomplish that feat. Heck the guy is 2-3 in KC with an All-Pro calibar RB, TE, G, QB (although he is hurt), 2 CBs and SS...not to mention a former LB and upcoming 2 year LB player. Imagine how fast he would run the Jets into the ground this year without the talent that KC has.
I have to say with Herm our offensive line looked the same for evey play they called and it became predictable not to only me and my JETS fans who watch all the games Win/Lose Crush/Blowout till the end. While watching Herms offense go -- Run,Run,short pass ,,, Punt. We would sit and watch the game and say OK here comes a run, OK short pass for nothing. If we can sit and watch the game and have no coaching experience and make these calls dont you think the other side could do the same thing. With Mangin's group at least they are moving from side to side and some motion and full backs/tailbacks moving. I love it. Granted were not great YET. BUT DAMN its fun to watch. 1st YEAR 3-3 IM VERY HAPPY. Its only going to get better and better and thats something I never felt with herm. OK Im done.
I like mangini and I am happy he's here but expectations changed once we realized Chad was healthy and transitioning to a 3-4 w/o 3-4 personnel is mangini's fault. we have a roster made up of alot of players who were here 2 years ago in the playoffs. This team has alot more talent than people realize. That wasn't agreesive, it was idiotic and he's being aggressive at certain times and conservative at other times. Prior to the 4th and G decision we ran it 3 straight times- why wasn't he aggressive on 2nd or 3rd down? and when we get leads we get ultra conservative and allow teams to come back on us. We haven't blown one yet but if we keep allowing teams back in games we will get burned. The talent level is pretty good. We have a young Ol but i's very talented, we are lacking at RB but we have an excellent group of WRs and, now that he's healthy, a top QB. On D we have almost identical personnel to what we had in the playoffs 2 years ago. We might be 4-2 b/c we wouldn't be playing this 3-4 D. Obviously I liked Herm, I thought and think he is a good caoch but I did think it was time to make a change and I am very happy w/ who we have for the long term but w/ a healthy team and most importantly a healthy Chad we would definitely have at least 3 wins. They lost 2 of their best OL(including their best), they lost their AP FB, they lost their OC and they lost their QB in week 1. To be 2-3 at this point is a pretty good job.
Good point, Hornet. I see Herm in the Pete Carroll mode: a rah rah guy, good enough with X's & O's to succeed on the college level. Not cut out to be a bigtime winner on the pro level. He'll go take over a California school in the PAC-10 someday (Cal, Stanford) and end his career there.
I am a bit tired of the Herm talk. I've gotten over him. I think Herman is the perfect assistant coach. As a HC, you have to know the x's and o's and that is something he never seemed to know. A quick head check of other head coaches and they all seem to know x's and o's. Mike Tice didn't seem like he understood them and he is gone, and back to being an assistant. Every coach hired this year seems like they are big on x's and o's.
Expectations??? The team was 4-12 last year. Anything better than that is an improvement. Transitioning to a 3-4 is not "Mangini's fault", it is his system. It is going to take a few years to get the right talent in place to run it effectively. You seem to fault a guy for committing to a proven system that has won 4 of the past 5 Super Bowls...3 by the Pats and 1 by the Steelers. At least he is committed to something other than the Cover Who? defense or whatever the flavor of the week was in Club Ed at Hofstra. LOL...I guess you prefer the half back option call against the Ravens a few years back. The Jets were running on the Colts and tried to exploit the defense. You can MMQB all you want on the play calls, but at least they were playing to win. Talent level? We have 2 new rookies on the OL, an underwhelming RG, an old LG and a journeyman right tackle. We basically have no functioning TE, no featured back, no FB and an outstanding WR. When Chad gets time, Cotch has demonstrated to be a decent 2nd option. After that, there is nothing. On D, we have a hold-the-fort guy in Kimo, D-Rob playing out of position (that is assuming that you believe he can play in position in 4-3, which he demonstrated he can't) and Ellis. Our LB corp is a mish-mosh of guys who are all basically out of position and better suited to a 4-3 system. We have 2 young safeties and Dyson plus the flavor of the week at CB. To say we have the "same" level of talent is a bit disingenous at the least. If you think this team would be 4-2 with Herm, than I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Herm would still have Martin in the backfield on crutches. We probably wouldn't see Mangold or Ferguson or Smith or Washington or any of the young guys get any playing time. He would have brought back Mawae and Fabini and Vinny, etc, etc, etc. They are still running the same offense. As Herm has demonstrated, he does have the ability to get his starting QB killed. They barely beat Arizona and killed a terrible San Fran team. This will a talent level, one would objectively have to say is superior to that on this Jets team.
