i think it was short sighted not to sign one or draft one this season... this could very well be fergesons last year as a jet, and i dont thinks its wise to start a rookie at LT. having overpaid harris and with mo/sheldon/snacks contracts coming up im not sure we can sign one next offseason
i dont see how we have the money to sign any of those guys. as it is we are in a crunch just to keep some of our own guys
that 9-10 million will be needed to give extensions to mo and sheldon though wont it? i dont see us having 7-12 M to spend on a top tackle free agent even with brick cut
We either sign a top tackle or we draft one but we need a LT more than we need either Mo or Sheldon if we cut Brick loose.
If this season pans out even remotely as we expect it to (i.e. No career threatening injuries, unexpected major declines from players etc.) will there be any major need on this team other than OT and possibly QB? This of course would assume that Devin Smith and Mauldin both work out, Aboushi steps up, a couple of safeties emerge as bonafide starters, Amaro steps up, etc. A lot of assumptions, I know. But if this is indeed the case, I could see us definitely targeting 1, maybe 2 tackles in the 2016 draft, either to replace Brick and Breno right away, or in the 2017 season. If Leonard Williams is the beast we expect, I could even see us trading Mo for an additional 1st or to move up in the draft to get a bonafide stud LT.
Definitely don't agree about RB as all of our current crop of 5 guys are proven contributors (except maybe Daryl Richardson) and pretty young. Whoever emerges as the top 3 I could see being here for at least a few years. Do we have a superstar at the position? No, but RB is the position where it's least valuable to have one not to mention it is the easiest position to replace in a pinch if need be with adaquate play. I am more than satisfied with Ivory (didn't he have some league leading statistic regarding broken tackles or yards after contact or something?), Powell who I feel is underutilized and underrated, and whoever steps up between Ridley and Stacy. Linebacker would only be a need if one of the things that I mentioned happen. Harris completely falls off the cliff this year (pretty sure his deal is virtually guaranteed for 2 years), and/or Mauldin is a complete bust. I do agree that it wouldn't hurt to grab Harris' replacement in 2016 draft to groom for a year or 2 though, unless one of Idzik's late rounders happen to step up.
My bad, guess I misread overthecap.com. Thanks for the correction. The cap hit is the most important thing, however, and that's what has to be reduced.
I didn't know where to put this but imagine this o-line Brick Carpenter Mangold Matt Slauson Austin Howard Shoulda woulda coulda
Not necessarily. You still have to put money in the LT position, and if they are going to cut Brick and sign a younger guy, it's money that needs to be spent. One isn't dependent on the other, and we shouldn't be sacrificing the future of LT so sign Sheldon. I don't think that money will or should be used to extend a d lineman. Of course the scenario exists where they can draft a LT first rounder, rather than invest in FA, in which case they could cut brick and use that 10 mil across various positions including D line. Or, they could restructure Brick and slide him inside.
Well yes and no. Slauson isn't really that great anymore, and Austin Howard fell off the planet once he left NY. So there's nothing about that, which makes me say shoulda woulda coulda. If we invested the $$ in Howard that he was asking for I think we'd all be pretty upset.
and I understand where you're coming from, but that's a lot of assumptions. Yes, if everything plays out perfectly, then OT and QB could wind up being the Jets only big needs, but when does everything play out perfectly for the Jets or any team? Even if Carpenter is better than a lot of guys here think and Aboushi or Dozier steps up, the Jets could still need an upgrade at OG. Whereas I agree with you about the quality of the RBs we have here, they all are very similar in their skill sets and what they bring to the table. There's not one of them that is a very good receiver (much less elite) out of the backfield and who has the speed to score from anywhere on the field. I think the Jets need to find Harris's replacement in the next draft, and if his play in coverage doesn't improve, Demario Davis' spot could be upgraded as well, even though I like him a lot. Coples has been better at OLB than I ever dreamed he would be, but I still don't think he's all that good. Hopefully, Mauldin will turn out to be a very good, solid player, in the mold of Pace, but he will probably never be an elite OLB because he lacks the speed. Even if Smith works out, he may never be a true #1 WR. Marshall at best, probably only plays another year or two, maybe three. Kerley could be upgraded. So imo the Jets are far from done at the WR position. Do they have a good WR or RB who is a threat returning punts or KOs? No The Jets still need a true two-way TE who can block and receive equally well. It may be great that Amaro is a different type TE than Cumby and can offer some variety in alignments, but having their best blocking TE as the 3rd stringer and who has bad hands is far from ideal. What if Milliner and McDougle can't stay healthy, or even if they do, their play isn't good enough? Unless Gilchrist is faster and better than expected, Pryor is the only safety with any real speed, and can he learn to take good angles? Will Gilchrist be good enough at FS? Thus I think it's waaaaaaaaaaay too early to start making assumptions. We all know what happens when we assume.
Why would I want to imagine that OL? Howard was a nice player, but he wasn't that good. Slauson wasn't even a Howard level player.
agreed. Slauson was OK and Howard was never great, he had 1 good year which looked way better in comparison to replacing Wayne Hunter. We'd of loved a sack of footballs replacing Wayne Hunter.
Brick - backup TJ Clemmings (Round 4 this year) Dave Decastro (instead of Coples Round 1 2012) Mangold Slauson La'El Collins (Round 3 this year) Works for me.
Slauson really is the biggest loss here. He left in wake of us entering cap hell with all of Tannenbaum's back loaded contracts and really was/is a good football player. He's an aggressive run blocker who doesn't hurt his team in pass protection. You can live without Austin Howard. Outside of the Wayne Hunter debacle we've had pretty good success with plugging and playing right tackles. Maybe not putting amazing players there but we always seem to end up with players who don't hurt our team. Howard was that, and I'm glad we didn't pay him. The Raiders even moved him to guard.
Well sure, if ya want all-pros backing up all- pros at every position, then every position outside of d-line and maybe corner will still be a need! Very true that the NFL is hard to predict, so this is all very early speculation that we may try to grab Brick's and Harris' replacements in 2016. Edit: yes, you bolded "big need".....in my original post I clearly stated "major needs"
Yes, you stated major needs. I still think my point stands that things never work out perfectly for any team, but especially for the Jets. I was also trying to point out that what you or I see as "major" needs is probably not the same thing as what Mac and Bowles perceive as major needs. For instance, Carpenter and Aboushi or Dozier could develop into decent starting OGs and the Jets could have a very good OL against most teams in the NFL, but against the Bills and Dolphins could struggle mightily. Wouldn't the OG positions then become a major need if Suh and other DL in the AFC East are able to dominate in our head-to-head games? Barring any trades, I think the Jets have their full compliment of 7 trades in 2016. Even if Mac expends the lower 4 picks trading up, they could still get a LT in the 1st, either an ILB or RT in the 2nd and perhaps the other position in the 3rd. If there's a quality QB prospect the Jets like, however, all bets are off.
