I wonder if he doesn't play under center often because he sucks at reading Defenses and needs every bit of an advantage (e.g. surveying field from Shotgun) to facilitate that.
Bye..... But honestly, support your team. I don't wanna see Geno under center next season either, but fuck fair weather fans.
If you watch the gametape, he actually hasn't been too bad going through his progression. I think sometimes he actually looks away too quick. He's definitely had trouble being late on throws, but it's more because of bad timing than inability to go through his progression.
Geno's regressed this year. He's had better players around him in the offense this year than last and he still can't put together more than a scoring drive and a few FG drives a game. It's not all about the completion percentage and pick percentage and all that. Those are very important factors but they pale alongside scoring drives led and red zone scoring and scoring in general. Geno was better in his non-shitty starts last year than he's been this year. He actually led some scoring drives in those games and the Jets had 8 games in his 16 starts where they scored 20+ points. This year we're at 5 and counting for the year at 20+ points and 2 of them were Vick's games.
Oh shut the fuck up. I obviously wouldn't actually stop cheering for the Jets. I wish I could but I can't.
I didn't expect you to. Some people need a kick in the ass though. It's ridiculous that every time something happens that people don't like, they always threaten to change their fandom or give up.
I think the team seems to move the ball better with Geno in there, but we get stopped short of scoring touchdowns way too often. Terrible on the opponent's side of the field.
but but but we have Rex (a somewhat overrated defensive savant imho) If he is so good he should be able to do more with less and he can't. I loved the loud boisterous Rex but time has marched on and it's time for a fresh start for him and us.
Whaley looks like a very good up and coming young General Manager. fWIW the person you quoted might be the dumbest poster here who actually thinks John Idzik has done a good job here. So considering that and his views on Whaley,you should probably be encouraged. Btw- I hope you guys make the playoffs only so the new owner decides to keep Doug moron.. I mean Marrone. I'll take a one and done from you guys if it means I don't have to see that very talented Whaley built team with a real NFL coach
Fwiw the Bills D was good under Pettine as well, and it appears Detroits D has gotten better this year since he's been gone, although you would have to partially credit him for the assembly of that group I guess. But no, I would hate the hire.
It wasn't imo Geno who didn't want to compete against the Bills. I didn't see it that way. He tried and was horrible. The guy you can say that about was Vick. He was a beaten man after Bills 2.
Once the field gets compressed in the red zone you can't play it safe any more. You have to make throws into the end zone and you have to spread things out some to do that. Having play action really helps down there also. Marty M and Geno have played it safe all year and even then the TO's have killed them. Not necessarily interceptions but the Jets have fumbled the ball down low several times and been generally terrible at pushing the ball across the goal line. It's just a toxic mix on offense. The Jets play it safe on offense to avoid crushing TO's and then they still turn the ball over more than you should and they settle for FG's way too often.
I'm not as down as everyone is with Geno but I think he's in his own head at this point and he really doesn't show any situational awareness that can produce even a game manager Alex Smith at quarterback. Stats don't tell the whole story you have to go back and watch the games. Just because he hasn't regressed doesn't mean he's progressed. Look at the Broncos game in which he relentlessly threw 3 or 4 yard drags to our slower tightends on 3rd & 8+. The stats show a better completion percentage but it doesn't mean he made better football plays to move the chains. Look at the Bears game where I believe it was twice he ran out of bounds before the line of scrimmage to take a sack rather than throw the ball out of bounds which also doesn't hurt his completion percentage. And of course the pick 6 to start the game on that screen pass where competent quarterbacks bury the ball in the dirt and run the next play. The biggest flag for me is the fact that with better weapons Geno isn't picking up chunk yardage he did as a rookie. Part of that is due to offensive line play which I believe has gotten in his head as his pocket awareness is ruined and he panics right away at the back of his drop back regardless if there's pressure or not. His rookie year he'd routinely complete 10-20 yard plays followed by a poor decision. Even still he was moving the ball much better. Now he looks for the check down as seemingly his first read, and is content with a punt as long as he isn't turning the ball over. That's not necessarily a good thing when it happens all game long. Not for anything either but he also throws a pretty bad long ball, even if his intermediate bullets are pretty good. A good coach can go a long way in his development which is why he needs a quarterback developer to stop flip flopping his thinking. Rex had drilled the idea of not turning the ball over into both Sanchez and Geno to the point where they wouldn't even want to try to throw the ball down field. The Rex Ryan offense is content with 6 plays for 15 yards and a punt. He needs a coach that opens it up and pushed his quarterback to move the ball while taking care of it, not handcuffing him as soon as he turns it over once in the first half.
My point though was that Buffalo had a mid first round pick (16th) and spent it on a QB who was a reach. I am not criticizing them for trading down, but for reaching on the 16th pick because they were desperate for a QB. Yeah, there are a lot of busts, but that goes both ways. Watkins could be a bust too, maybe due to injuries. That's why trading away first rounders is a bad idea in general, but at least I could understand it for key positions, such as QB or pass rushers. WR? That's a terrible decision. Take your Julio Jones example, how well has Atlanta done as a team with him? I realize he's not the reason they suck, but certainly he doesnt contribute much to the solution either. WRs are not a key position in the NFL when it comes to winning, most really good teams have 2nd tier receivers. I left out Alonso because I was just talking about the players they drafted in the first round those 3 years. And I left out Manuel because much like Geno, he seems to be a bust.
Geno has played poorly this year but I think MM deserves a fair share of the blame. How many times did we see the inexplicable qb draw called right into the teeth of the defense just to see Geno get crushed? How many times did we see the team huddling and running down the clock late in games when time was a big factor? It's not as though Geno is incapable of running a no-huddle offense, we've seen him do it, that just comes down to bad offensive coaching (and of course is to some degree on Rex, where the buck stops). If Rex and Idzik go I hope they take MM with them and wipe the slate clean.
I think it might have been abyzmul who mentioned this during camp, but Geno and Marty are really a mismatch. The idea being that you can't run a proper west coast offense with a QB that is incapable of ever taking a snap under center. You get no real play action with Geno.
Yeah, that's probably the case. It's not even clear the Jets are running a WCO at this point. When was the last time a receiver caught a slant 7 yards over the middle?
Good points about why Smith sucks in the red zone. I would merely add the word accuracy, as in not having enough. The windows get smaller. Look at his Td pass to Connor against the Tits. Connor was wide open due to a piss poor Tennessee pass D. You can't have that every time you get to the red zone. But it's the kind of coverage Smith needs in order to be effective. Otherwise it once again is Nick Folk time.
Geno can't throw slants. He can;t throw screens. He can't throw bombs. He is kind of a one pass passer.
