Can Geno Smith still become a franchise QB?

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Can Geno Smith still develop into a franchise QB?

Poll closed Feb 8, 2015.
  1. yes

    12.9%
  2. no

    76.5%
  3. Too soon to say

    10.6%
  1. mgjetman22

    mgjetman22 Active Member

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    No, you can't fix stupid.
     
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  2. FlaJet

    FlaJet Well-Known Member

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    GeNO should just Go away. Make it happen Tanny,,
     
  3. Voyevoda117

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  4. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    This is not a Idzik thread.
     
  5. LIJetsFan

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    Sorry OP but this is a silly question. Of course anything is possible. So yes, he can be. The correct question is how likely is it that he will be a franchise QB (FQB). To begin with a FQB is a rarity in and of himself.

    I think we can all agree that Geno has digressed. I do not recall many/any FQBs that have digressed after that number of starts. Getting off to a slow start and/or stalling somewhere along the way is one thing but digressing is another and IMHO a much more telling thing.

    So, to ans my own question I'd guestimate that Geno has 2-3% chance to become FQB.

    Backup or barely adequate started perhaps but FQB, nope.
     
  6. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    I don't think he regressed.
     
  7. jetropolitan

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    I see Geno as one of those QB's who can succeed only in an absolutely perfect situation (allot like Sanchez). He is just too limited to ever carry a team by himself.
     
  8. displacedfan

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    Yeah that's basically 100% at this point.

    Usually only a handful of those guys maybe 4 in the league right now.
     
  9. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    The talent on this team has.
     
  10. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Nope.
     
  11. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    My bad I forgot how good are CB's are and OL. Plus our TE's are better then last season.
     
  12. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    There are areas of the team that are better this year too.
     
  13. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    Did you really type that with a straight place?
     
  14. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Question:Can Geno Smith Still Become a franchise qb?
    Answer :NO

    Question:Is the sky really blue?
    Answer:Yes

    Question:Is this thread a waste of eye sight?
    Answer:Yes
     
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  15. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Better wide receivers
    Better tight ends
    Better run game
     
  16. Pocket Jet

    Pocket Jet Well-Known Member

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    Winner !!!
     
  17. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    I notice u didn't say better CB's
    I agree with WR, but I never sayed we wasn't better at wide outs
    We had better play from TE last season.
    The run game stats wise is about the same.
     
  18. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    How many QB's have won championships since the Super Bowl era began?

    31.

    How many of them were fill-ins for an injured or ineffective starter?

    3. (Using Earl Morrall in 1970, Doug Williams in 1987 and Jeff Hostetler in 1990)

    How many of the 31 QB's who won Super Bowls won more than a single Super Bowl?

    11.

    How many of the 48 Super Bowls did those 11 QB's win?

    28.

    Franchise QB is a real thing. Your odds on winning a Super Bowl without having a guy widely recognized as one of the top 20% of QB's are much lower than your odds on winning with a guy seen as a top 20% type of guy.

    By category as the QB was perceived at the time they won:

    Top 20% QB's - Bart Starr (2), Joe Namath (1), Len Dawson (1), Roger Staubach (2), Terry Bradshaw (2 - 78 and 79), Ken Stabler (1), Joe Montana (4), Troy Aikman (3), Steve Young (1), Brett Favre (1), John Elway (2), Kurt Warner (1), Tom Brady (2 - 2003, 2004), Peyton Manning (1), Ben Roethlisberger (1 - 2008), Drew Brees (1), Aaron Rodgers (1), Russell Wilson (1)
    Good QB's not Top 20% - Earl Morrall (1), Bob Griese (2), Terry Bradshaw (2 - 74 and 75), Joe Theismann (1), Jim McMahon (1), Phil Simms (1), Mark Rypien (1), Tom Brady (1 - 2001), Eli Manning (2), Brad Johnson (1), Ben Roethlisberger (1 - 2005 by a nose due to Steelers protective bubble), Joe Flacco (1)
    Vet Journeymen - Jim Plunkett (2), Doug Williams (1), Jeff Hostetler (1), Trent Dilfer (1)

    So 28 Super Bowls won with top 20% QB's.
    15 won by guys seen as good but not 20% at the time. 4 at least of those games won by QB's seen as top 20% by the end of their careers.
    5 won with vet journeymen not seen as particularly good QB's at the time they won.

    That's long odds on winning without a really good QB and obviously you want a great one.
     
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  19. SienaSaints

    SienaSaints Well-Known Member

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    No. He still can't set his line to block. Still gets poundes too often for leaving Cumberland on a blitzing defender. I was optimistic when I watched a video of him dissecting film with Jon Gruden on ESPN.
     

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