Mangini made the right call going for it on 4th down!! To those saying "how do you leave points on the field agaisnt the colts?!" What do you think a GF is? Leaving 4 points on the field. People are mad at him JUST BECUASE the final score was 31-28, and the difference is 3 points. Oh, 3 points = a FG! It's not that simple. You don't just tally up points left during the game to the final score. A different score would mean a different attack by the COlts. They, most likely, would've gone for a much stronger attack. The Colts settled for a FG in the 3rd because it got them the lead. That's how the Colts play- to get ahead or pull farther ahead. Had the Jets made a FG the Colts would've marched with a much more agressive offense, not to mention momentum forcing a FG from 2 yards, and score a TD. Sure theres a chance they wouldn't have, but that's exactly my point. One doesn't know how the game would've played out after so you can't simply tack on 3 points to the final score. The only questionable thing I saw was passing- IMO, a run would've been better. Worse case pin them really really really deep. But that's just me. ***** Another note. No one would DARE be questioning the ball had they scored the TD. NO ONE. It was a good game agaisnt probably the best team in the league. Take pride, move on. No shame in losing the the Colts. Especially if it was sooo close. It's not like you lost to the Texans.
you have it wrong, if herm made that decision he would be skewered on all the boards but I don't care who the HC is it was an idiotic decision.
HERM would not make that decision. No guts! All he would do is TALK. Then if the play failed he would throw someone under the bus! SMILE! We finally have a HEADCOACH and not a HEADCASE!
Sorry, let me make a correction... If Herm made that decision, YOU would have thought it was a great decision. I know how everyone else would react.
I agree with you to a point. First, I certainly agree that if it had succeeded, the reaction from most people would be very different. When you take a chance like that, you cant evaluate it solely based on the outcome, because Mangini didnt get to make the choice knowing what the outcome would be. When you take risks, occasionally you get burned, thats just the way it is... so when you do get burned, its kinda pointless to blame the fact that you took a risk, if you wouldnt have had a problem with taking the risk, had it succeeded. Personally, I dont like the call to go for it there, and for a number of reasons. First of all, theyve said that they did it because they went into the game feeling like they had to go touchdown for touchdown with the Colts. This happened more than halfway through the game... and they had already stopped the Colts offense a number of times. The points werent piling up on either side here, so to say that a fieldgoal wouldnt have helped is kind of stupid. Most importantly, I just felt like they had already risked enough on that drive. They went 77 yards, they had already converted one fourth down... there comes a point where I think you have to feel like, if you dont get anything out of all of that, then thats a real shame. You go 77 yards, get stuffed on the goalline 3 times... just kick the field goal. The game is tied, your not desperate for points. Dont get caught up in the other teams reputation, just look at the scoreboard, look at how the game has gone so far, and kick the damn fieldgoal. But I agree 100% that this is entirely irrelevant to the outcome of the game, because once a different decision is made there, the rest of the game goes down a different track. If you honestly believe that after kicking that field goal, the rest of the game would have then proceeded in exactly the same fashion as it did on sunday, then your just being ignorant. You cant look at it and say, well theres 3 points, and we lost by 3, if we kicked it we would have won. And you cant look at it and say, we went for it and failed, so obviously going for it was a bad decision. Both of those statements are meaningless. However you can say that you disagree with the decision to go for it on 4th and goal. Its an unnecessary risk, regardless of how it works out.
If Herm was coach instead of all those 3rd down conversions we had, we would have ran the draw play and as TBJ said we would have been forced to punt.
Now now, I remember a game thread for an away game where junc exclaimed "THAT'S IT! I'VE HAD IT! FIRE HERM!" It was after a drive that stalled for typical reasons. And it wasn't last season, either. :smile:
Herm did take some chances like that on occasion, but he was such a non-chance-taker and I don't think those types of situations were simulated very much in practice, so they were often if not always ended in failure. The team never executed with confidence in those situations under Herm.
Unfortunately, the server crash would prevent me proving such a thing, but I remember it vividly, even though I doubt anyone else would. Except for nyjunc.
(1) Many people were saying to kick the FG at the time, so saying that they're mad now because the pass didn't work is just wrong. (2) While it's true that decisions must be made before you know the outcome, I think when you do make a very daring decision that doesn't work out, you leave yourself open to more criticism than if you make a safer one that doesn't work out. That's the way it is, and if you don't like it, you don't make the daring decision. And yes, that would have applied to the onside kick, too - if Indy had gotten the ball on the 45 and Peyton had thrown a 55 yard TD pass to Harrison on the first play, some people would have been criticizing Mangini, and he would have had to take it. That's why he's the coach. (3) I absolutely agree that it's over and it's time to move on. In fact, I have - I hadn't thought about that play for days until I read this thread.
