Foles didn't start out in an Air Raid either. He was recruited by Michigan State and left after a season because he felt he wasn't getting a full opportunity there. He wound up at Arizona and in the Air Raid.
Lol, well the question was what QB that played in a Air Raid offense had a big 2nd season in the NFL ... But technically he never played a snap in the Michigan State offense against another collegiate team. I would say his story is far different then Geno Smith's story. At the end of the day though, they weren't recruited to play in an Air-Raid offense originally which is valid.
Geno's got a big arm, a gunslinger's mentality and some mobility. Whether he puts all of that together is an open question but he's one of the better prospects to hit the NFL over the last two seasons. I'd rather have him than Ryan Tannehill or E.J. Manuel but I have no idea if he's actually going to turn into a good QB at this point. It's all up to him.
This is important. You said Vick turned the ball over 49 times in the last three seasons. The fact is only 27 of them were interceptions. I don't have a separate stat for his time over those three years, although that can be calculated from his 915 attempts for those three years, but his int % for his years in Philly was 2.5. Last year was 2.1. Meanwhile we all know Smith had 21 interceptions at a 4.7 rate. That is a far different picture from one where you add in fumbles by a running Qb. If you do that in fairness you also should add his rushing totals to total yardage. Smith had 366 yds. total rushing last year in 72 attempts, at 22.9 pg. Vick meanwhile had 927 yards for three years in 174 attempts. Since Smith played 16 games to Vick's 28 or 29, depending on how you count them, Vick was addign near 40 yards rushing a game, or about twice what Smith did. But the main point is it is apples and oranges to compare overall turnovers between a Qb who rarely runs the ball and one who does. The relevant metric is interceptions. You also leave out that Vick's Qb rating when he was in Philly was 87.7. That stat blows away Smith's putrid rating.
I would add that comparisons to Sanchez are rather bizarre. I thought the Jets rode that hot mess far too long, but in the short term he was picked fifth in the draft and was coming off a playoff year. In hindsight, the Jets probably should have gone to the draft for another Qb before the 2010 season.
Geno no doubt has tremendous upside, far more than Tannehill and Manuel in my opinion. He's got a stronger arm then Tannehill and is more durable then E.J. Manuel. Hopefully he puts it all together, because he would be a pretty awesome QB to watch when he's got his head on straight and is playing within himself. In terms of cost, and potential - def agree that I would rather have Geno over those other 2.
In hindsight, the Jets should have went with a veteran QB in 2009, because that team was already a playoff contender. 2009 was not considered to have a good class of QBs, and only Stafford is a starting QB from that year. (And, Stafford just has mediocre numbers, which is not impressive considering he has Megatron.) 2010 turned out to be even less promising of a year for QBs, but we would have done at least as well as we ended up doing with Sanchez, so we'd likely keep that vet QB into 2010. I'm not sure what veteran QBs were available in 2009, but I'd guess that there were some options who would have worked out better than Sanchez. If we'd drafted another QB in 2010, one year after trading up for Sanchez in 2009, that would have been a very bad move. Sam Bradford was the best QB drafted in 2010, and he's mediocre at best. Then what would you do with Sanchez? How would you get other guys to fill up your roster? You'd wind up with an old crumbling team and two QBs, one bad, one mediocre. I'm glad the Jets didn't do that. There was no way we were moving on from Sanchez in 2011, on the back of two back-to-back title game appearances. We were fully expecting and hoping that Sanchez would take a step up and become a strength of the team in 2011, which we tried to do, and then when that flopped we switched back to the run-first formula. After the late season collapse, we should have realized that Sanchez was not the guy, and have looked to move on from him in 2012. Instead of trading for Tebow and giving Sanchez a big contract extension in 2012, we should have traded up to draft a QB at that point, and then we'd have Sanchez as the backup.
Look, I remember that period quite well, and no doubt about it the trade up to the fifth pick to get such a shitty Qb as Sanchez was going to hurt the franchise for some time. I merely meant to say that sticking with Sanchez did not do the franchise any good. Yes, the Jets made the playoffs in 10, too, but that was in spite of Sanchez, not because of him. He was a below average Qb, so how does a below average Qb get to claim credit for playoff appearances? My point is not to continue litigating Sanchez's stay with the Jets beyond noting that they did not benefit by retaining a below average Qb. Were there other great options out there? One need not argue yes to say that retaining Sanchez was not a great option, either.
1. Turnovers are turnovers. Vick doesn't get a pass because he runs more. Thats part of his game. 2. You will never hear me point out qbr. I think its a stupid stat made up to make a simple sport look complicated. Good qb's complete passes and protect the football. yardage tds and qbr are all byproducts of those two simple measures of how a qb is playing. that said, last we saw of vick he was completing passes at a 54% clip with 5td 3ints through 7 games. i don't think its a stretch to think a 2nd year qb can match that production, especially when he already has a better comp%
Kellen should've gotten the starting nod that year. He couldn't have done any worse. And if they felt they had to trade up then they should've went after Crabtree. With Cothcery and later Braylon and Keller. That would've been a solid group of receivers for any QB to throw to.
They should have fired Brian Schottenheimer before making any decision on a QB - that was the real mistake.
Well of course a Smith Homer like you would ignore the fact that Vick's turnovers included so many fumbles, since the Int metric makes clear how horrific Smith is compared to Vick. We agree to disagree. This is all just off season speculation, of course. In a few short months it will be clear enough whether Smith starts and if so what he does with it. In the meantime I made my point, and you made yours, sort of. It will have to do.
Schotty left and the Jets won two fewer games than the year before, and the two years before that the Jets went to the playoffs with Schotty as the OC. He currently is employed by another NFL team. Explain how it was him and not Sanchez that was holding back the O.
When Schotty left, so did the reliable parts of our offense. Gone was LT, Braylon and Cotchery, so you need to think about the personnel as well. Schottenheimer's play-calls were shit, he never adapted to the personnel of the offense, and he could never get the team into rhythm on offense as well. You can put some of the blame on Sanchez as well as Wayne Hunter and other players - but Schottenheimer was the #1 culprit. Watch Marty call plays in comparison to Schottenheimer, it's night and day.
Meh. Most of the criticism of Schotty was excuse making by Sanchez Fans. I didn't ever think him a great OC, but he was never as terrible as his haters here pretended. Plus an OC like Marty was not available, I don't recall. When Reid was fired in Philly and Marty was not given the job, he became available. Best off season move last year, and yes, a definite upgrade over Schotty. But Sanchez would have sucked if his OC was Don Coryell.
Here we go again. Pennington had his worse seasons with Schottenheimer, went to Miami and displayed on our home field he still had the talent to win a big game. He was never a good coordinator to begin with, his smoke and mirrors bullshit got old real quick. I am not a Sanchez fan, so don't fucking label me like you do with other posters, but a better coordinator and QB coach would have done better job with Sanchez.
