What's your point? KC was talking SB before the season started while the Jets were considered one of the least talented teams in the league.
It's true....but none of that stuff really matters. It could matter. Odds are it does matter in the long run. But right now it doesn't matter, because odds are just a prediction. It might matter if I bet games, but I don't. The only thing that matters is record. Like Parcells says, it's a results business. If the Jets play a great game and beat Peyton and co. they'll be the talk of the league, and the fact that Tenn stinks won't even be a blip on the radar in Jetsland. San Fran has some weapons too these days. They are no pushover.
Not really, they were and still can be a playoff team but they were never a legit SB contender. i hope that's true. I love what Mangini has done so far and I am very happy w/ the direction we are headed. I guess it was time for herm to go but he did do a good job here and people forget that such as when they make stuff up that we never came back and we gave up big leads under him when that couldn't be more wrong.
We made defensive adjustments but the overall game plan, more spefically the O never changed. More importantly when we had a lead Herm's policy was to go into a shell when we had the ball. Which made no sense...we didn't burn clock and we didn't score in effect giving the D no chance of holding up. Lets not forget when we were pitching those 2nd half shut outs we were ususally behind or in close games...meaning we were moving/holding on to the ball for much longer. Any NFL d is going to fall apart if they are on the field for too long...The major differences b/t the coaching staff's is Mangini seems to learn of a weakness in the first half and expliot it in the 2nd on both sides of the ball, while Herm basically went with what he had on tape and ran with it for the game...which is why he was beat many times when teams were able to find and exploit weakness that they found in our team
I don't disagree w/ that and that's where I am the happiest w/ this regime. What does that mean? We have been in close games the first 3 weeks and haven't shut anyone out int he 2nd half. It's been the 4th qtr that has killed us and allowed Ten and Buf back into games they never should have been in. Anyway in '04 we were up 10-9 at Mia at the half and won 17-9, vs. SF we were down 14-3 at the half and won 22-14, at NE we were down 13-7 and lost 13-7, at Cle we were down 7-0 at the half and won 10-7, at Ari we were tied 3-3 at the half and won 13-3, vs. hou we were down 7-6 at the half and won 29-7, against Sea we were up 24-14 and won 37-14. Then why have we given up 27 pts in the 1st half of games and 33 in the 2nd half?
all nice comments except ones that mirror the poster....... looking back a bit more - yes the jets D had their moments and henderson appeared to do a good job and they did keep the team in games...... my intent is to focus on the offense and overall coaching approach which, as i posted, appears remarkably different - to the jets and the fans advantage. My comparison to edwards is not meant to re-hash, harp on, or piss off anyone. jil
I must say I usually whole heartedly agree with junc, but in the spirit of debating i'll provide my retort... point 1 we agree on Point 2 we've been done in the 4th Q mostly due to talent the teams your referring to were more talented, and your also proving my point, we shut teams out in the close games mainly because the O didn't go into the Herm induced shell. When the O is agreesive and more importantly scoring, it motivates the D, and gives them time to get off the field and get a rest. I'll admit I missed herm cause I liked him as a person, but the things he did as a coach were hard to swallow and one of this main crimes were gassing the D when it counted by having these horrible 3 and out drives. This team we have is less talented espeically up front. Which is why we aren't stopping the run, don't stop the run then the team gets tired, and they have to pay so much attention to the run they get killed on a backbreaking pass that lets the other team "back in" the game...but good points none the less
See..thats where I dont get you junc. You can defend Herm all you want. I would never get in to bed with a guy that wants the Jets to lose so he can prove a point. RAJ showed up here today for one reason..and one reason only..hes playing bookie...hes playing the odds..and after a Jet victory last week...he was gone...now he shows up today because he would look like an ass if he showed up Monday after the jets "lose" to the Colts. He smells blood..and if the Jets ever lay a real stinker, it will be this week against the Colts. So he got his post in for the week after a jet victory...and is counting on a Jet loss against the Colts...seems pretty safe. And thats who you agree with. Here is a Raj post before the Jets were 2-1..and before his stepdad in kc created a new disaster: Who cares about Herm, he left for a better team. Be concerned with Mangini. Chad Pennington bailed him out after he tried running the clock out and playing a prevent defense that let a poor Titan team back into the game. And how about 'Thick as a Brick', a Jet TD called back after he was beaten on an inside rush and held the defender. He and the rest of the O'Line can't run block either. Are Doug Jolley, Mike Nugent and Cedric Houston still worth a Heath Miller? And why is Bradway still the head scout. This game was won by Chad Pennington. I've said all along the only thing worth watching this year was Chad Pennington... He bailed the Jets and Mangini out this week. __________________ "Head coach Herm Edwards and Pro Bowl defenders John Abraham and Ty Law are gone. Eric Mangini takes over as head coach, and Patrick Ramsey takes over at quarterback. The Jets are as far away from the Super Bowl as they've ever been". I would just try to pick a real Jet fan to back me up...lets start calling it like it is..this guy is no Jet fan.
When Mangini came here, he said he was going to stress the little things... the smallest details, so that the team is ready for any and all situations before they happen. Herm was the exact opposite. Herm waited for those situations to happen, before instructing the team on what position to take. Unfortunately, many times it was too late. That's why there were so many screw-ups with time, etc. I don't believe Herm is a good coach. He's a team friend, and that's what his designation should be. I'm so glad that we have Coach Mangini. He's been around and has seen the best of Parcells and Belichick, and he brings that to us. Whether we win or we lose, we can figure he will do the right thing. Thanks Coach Mangini for wanting to come to New York. We appreciate it!
i agree. i definately remember (esp in 04) our D is what i liked watching, we counted on them.They kept us in games, Our O was hard to watch, hard to trust. Thank the football gods for C.Mart. With this new regime ,so far, there is a new excitement, esp. on the O side of the ball. They are fun to watch even with out the running attack. There is something that has not been there for some time.....remarkably different I was a Herm fan and bummed when he made his exit (even more that D.Henderson left)...... but i had no idea what was in store. I think we are heading in a great direction and i am enjoying the ride thus far!!:beer: :jets: ADIOS HERM
One thing I noticed is the way Mangini integrates the young players into the game plan. Unlike Herm who buried them on the bench.
hahahaha you said bipolar jetfan.... anyone who is a jetfan becomes bipolar. mangini is clearly the far superior.
I think the big difference is that Mangini plays the best players while Edwards plays his favorites. Can you believe it was just last year Herm had 1998 stars Mawae snapping to Vinny to either hand off to Martin or pass to Chrebet? Younger players were overdue.
Why in God's name are we still talking about Herm Edwards? This is what's wrong with Jets fans--Mangini has been everything that the Jets could've ever dreamed of so far, the Jets are having a much better start to this season than anybody could've realistically expected, yet for some reason a solid 1/4 of this site seems more concerned with the Chiefs losing than the Jets winning. It's downright stupid.
Yeah, they do. Frank Gore and Michael Robinson are both good backs. Alex Smith is not embarrassing himself and Antonio Bryant is playing well. Robinson had two 1-yard TD runs last week. He ran for 27 yards on 3 other carries (I saw them live and they were impressive). He is a hard runner. I wanted the Jets to draft him, but they didn't. Instead they took another converted college QB and I was okay with it.
