Let's look at the Pats postseasons starting in 2005: 2005 - beat Jacksonville, lost to Denver with Jake Plummer at QB. 2006 - beat the Mangini Jets with Pennington and his reconstructed shoulder, beat Schottenheimer coached SD (as everyone did in the playoffs), lost to P. Manning and the Colts. 2007 - beat Jacksonville (with legendary David Garrard), beat the Norv Turner coached Chargers, lost to the NY Giants and Eli Manning in the SB in one of the greatest upsets in SB history 2008 - injured and Matt Cassell (who?) throws for 4000 yards and leads the Pats to 11 wins 2009 - lost at home to the Ravens and Joe Flacco 2010 - lost at home to the Jets and Mark Sanchez 2011 - beat the Tebow led Broncos at home, then beat Flacco and the Ravens in a game they clearly should have lost, then lost to the 9-7 Giants and Eli Manning in the SB 2012 - beat Houston (led by Gary Kubiak and Matt Schaub, who at the time were crumbling and were on their way to this year's 2-14 record), lost to the Ravens and Flacco at home. When you consider the Brady was outplayed by most of the QBs on the teams that beat the Pats in the playoffs and by some of the QBs the Pats beat, and when you consider that Brady's post season performances in many of these games from 2005-2012 were poor to average, the luster comes off this post season mystique people place on Brady. The Pats won 9 straight playoff games from 2001-2004 because they were a better defensive and running team then (and got a few huge breaks in some of those games). They and Brady have been a post-season disappointment ever since.
You've done nothing to show that Brady wasn't a good post season QB after 2004. All you've done is point out who his team lost to. Wins and losses are a team stat.
I feel like I've seen this every year since I've been here now. Not saying it's not true, but I guess until they win it, it's partially justified. To say that Brady was outplayed by most of the QB's is garbage. It's a weak argument. I.e. Brady doesn't play against Flacco, and Flacco doesn't play against Brady. How can you compare Flacco against last years Patriots defense versus Brady against last years Ravens defense? 2009-2012 losses were all against great defensive teams. The Patriots as a team lost, but it's hardly due to Brady.
the fact that you made nothing but excuses for the teams his team beat means you have an agenda on this post. so i stopped reading after the jake plummer, pennington, everyone beat schottenheimer and then teh final straw was the legendary david garrard. now heres the thing, david garrard was a VERY good qb for a few years there in jacksonville.. so you either werent paying attention or you have an agenda or more likely both.
Garrard was so good, the Jags cut him in preseason a few years ago. Give me a break. The bottom line is that everybody knocks P. Manning for his playoff performances when Brady has not been any better and lately, worse. Yet he walks on water according so many people. I just don't see it. He's very good, but there are QBs playing today that are better. He has not been a big game QB for almost 10 years now.
I think Brady would agree he hasnt played well. Even in wins like against the Chargers he threw 3 picks. Its hard to explain why he has dropped off but I would think it has to do with his lack of confidence in the defense. I think he feels the pressure to carry the whole team. The Patriots also have not been as good either, the weak division has something to do with their ability to make the playoff consistently but when they get there they have trouble against the top teams. Im not saying the Patriots are bad I think the 12-14 wins they get annually would translate to 9-11 wins in divisions like the AFC North.
Brady is still 5-5 in the last 7 years. Manning is 2-5. Any way you slice it, Brady (or at least his team) is still more successful in the postseason.
If the jets had a qb to bring them to the super.bowl 2 times.. and not win.. no one would want him as qb anymore
Wining in the playoffs is hard, probably a coin flip with all the variables in play. What QB would you rather have?
Brees, Peyton, Brady, Rodgers are the top 4 healthy. I'd take a chance with any of them. There's an interesting article I'll try to find, mentioning that in the 2000s the randomness of playoff winners has gone up. Your coin flip comment reminded me of that
I'd probably want Brees, Brady, Eli (despite his disgusting regular seasons guy delivers in the playoffs) and Rodgers. Peyton has show time after time he is a collossol choker and I think Luck still has to prove something before he belongs in any elite conversation.
Well if you slice in the last 8 years or 7 playoffs played, 6-5 and a SB vs 7-6 and no Super Bowls. There are ways to slice/state everything to make players look good or bad. It's really interesting how the Patriots had the SBs from 2001-2004 and since then have not won them. Brady as a QB has had most of his top career years post 2004, but the team had its best success pre 2004. I've tried to find reasonings why and a curious one I saw was field position in the SBs. The Pats started 0 drives in NYG territory in both SBs but in the previous 3 SBs, scored 27 points starting in opponent territory. Considering their margin of victory/loss in the Super Bowls, this is probably a key thing in my mind. Also shows how narrow of a margin a SB run takes and how it changes perception from the fans, media, and organization regarding players. When you also consider what goes into field position, really opens up how well the Pats executed and performed as a team from 2001-2004 playoffs. One unit was always there to pick up another unit if they were struggling. They also won a ton of one possession games which is incredible. Very impressive work Bill, Kraft, Brady,etc and the whole organization to get the team clicking. (and whoever paid the refs for the tuck rule, can't have a completely positive post about the Pats :grin
Eli is so tricky to figure out. Give him to me if I'm playing the Pats in the playoffs down by a TD or less late in the 4th. :grin: His two game winning drives in the NFC championship games had him throwing for 0 total yards. His offense has broken 30 points once, in his playoffs wins the other team has scored: 14,17,20,14,0,20,17,17. Eli, Big Ben, and Flacco are soooo hard to judge how they played in their playoff careers so far. But, Big Ben and Eli have those signature TD drives to end the SB that always stick out. Funny enough Brees, Brady, Peyton, Rodgers don't have these but I'd take them over Eli, Big Ben, Flacco for a one game situation.
Who really gives a shit what Brady was, is or will be? Except NE fans. Oh, and anybody who works for ESPN or knows someone who works for ESPN but I guess that's the same thing.
I'd take Brady all day long. 5 SB appearances, 3 trophies. If Russell Wilson plays the way I suspect him to during the playoffs then I think a lot of people are going to throw him in this discussion. Yes, he has a stacked team around him but he's big time and he'll start getting the respect he deserves.
In my opinion, the media is currently on the Wilson bandwagon out of the RGIII, Luck, Kap, Wilson group. It was all RGIII last year though, from what I noticed
He has been more Manning like since the dynasty days but he's still had more good games than bad unlike the choker in Denver.
