"Official" Start Matt Simms thread

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Joeyd223, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    53,044
    Likes Received:
    1,434
    so why do so many defenses that play great all game tend to give up late, garbage time points?
     
  2. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    5,902
    Likes Received:
    4,298
    If you really think that then why Simms? Maybe if we really think this is a year to make a run Gerrard should get some playing time?

    Granted from my eye test Simms seems more polished right now then Geno. That may be a function of pressure and competition? It may be that he really is more polished at the pro level right now after a couple of training camps and being around the pro-game.

    I can't see Rex Ryan in a contract year not putting his best QB on the field. Last year Sanchez was brutal and I think Rex was honest in his belief that he gave the Jets the best chance to win.
     
  3. 85inthehall

    85inthehall Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,409
    Likes Received:
    39
    This is my biggest concern. He is not a guy that can fit the ball into a window. The reason people talk about his deep throws (15+ yards) is because he only throws them when a guy is wide open. Thus if he has a lot of time he is effective, but with less time he can't make quick decisions, hit the hot read, the slant, the screen. He becomes a liability.
     
  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    Garrard. Ugh. If he were healthy I would go for that, but from what can be gathered he's probably one good hit away from permanent retirement.

    And yes, it's not much to go on, but Simms right now looks more promising. But that's not all - it is obvious that playing is making Smith worse, not better. Let him sit and see what happens. If Simms plays well enough to keep the job, so be it. If not, nothing has been lost.

    Honestly I think this is not that complicated. Play Simms and see what happens.
     
  5. TheGreenCantona

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    464
    Likes Received:
    0
    well , what will happen is that rex will loose his job if simms doesn't work out. Could you imagine the storm if you bench simms that in turn completely bombs.
    For the jets team i think you are right but not for rex
     
  6. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    Imo the Bills' D in the last game provided a template for everyone else to beat Smith. 8 in the box, sometimes 9. Stop the run and blitz when he steps back to pass. He won't get the ball out to his hot read quick enough, has no touch on screens, and takes too long to get it out there. When he does get it out more quickly he does so by risking losing awareness of the secondary.
     
  7. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    Nonsense. Rex loses his job if Simms sucks in one game???

    Take it game by game.

    Anyway Rex will lose his job under other scenarios. Like continuing to play Smith with no improvement and the Jets end up out of hte playoffs after passing the halfway mark of the season in the sixth spot.
     
  8. TheGreenCantona

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Messages:
    464
    Likes Received:
    0
    my take is:
    if he continues to play Smith , he does the riskfree thing. nobody thought they would be this good, and he wants to see what he has in smith for next years draft.
    if he swaps to simms and then back again , he will be deemed clueless, not everyone is as rational as you blocker
     
  9. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    5,902
    Likes Received:
    4,298
    The Saints played 8 in the box all day on us. We were able to put in a big TE and/or Duccase and break containment on several occasions.

    There is no template in the NFL. Teams adjust and the opponents adjust with different packages. Running teams run on teams that load the box by matching up blockers on tacklers.

    The Jets on Sunday were severely outcoached and we came out flat. Geno got beat up when the OL collapsed around him and the Bills simply blew us out on both sides of the ball after that.

    We have TE's who can't block at all or TE's who can't catch. We have a big speed receiver who can't get off the line of scrimmage and Holmes is clearly not ready to play football. The Jets should be lining up big bodies and pounding teams. If our D is going to let a rookie QB with 2nd string WR look like the mad bomber the Jets aren't winning many games.
     
  10. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2010
    Messages:
    4,092
    Likes Received:
    1,551
    Rex goes down with the ship no matter what.. I will give him that.

    Geno could throw 7 INT and have 5 fumbles, and Rex will be at the podium after the game talking bout "Geno will be our starter"
     
  11. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    The NO game was not all about what happened when the Jets had the ball. NO uncharacteristically, or due to the Jet D or both, turned the ball over. That was a hugely significant reason why they lost.

    The other factor was Ivory played lights out against his former team.

    Of course each game is different, and the Bills did not turn the ball over when the Saints did. But let me put it this way - if you are a DC with the Jets coming up and you don't stack the box, you probably do not deserve to be an NFL DC, and probably won't be much longer.
     
  12. OverloadBlitz

    OverloadBlitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,827
    Likes Received:
    322
    Your right about the template, 8 in the box, press man to man coverage on the outside with a safety over the middle. Geno has 0 awareness and doesn't recognize blitzes and adjusts to them. He's late on his hot reads and late over the middle, indecisive which leads to double patting the football and sacks, and staring down receivers which lead to J. Byrd having a field day over the middle.
     
  13. 85inthehall

    85inthehall Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,409
    Likes Received:
    39
    If he continues to play a QB in free fall and lets the season waste away it shows he is still not capabale of making tough choices when it comes to his young QB. The biggest complaint people had with Sanchez is that he never had the threat of being pulled and Rex would never take him out. Pulling Smith show Rex has learned and can make a tough choice.
     
  14. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    That's right, but I would also add he does not seem to be good at screen passes.
     
  15. OverloadBlitz

    OverloadBlitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,827
    Likes Received:
    322
  16. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    Yes, I noticed that at the time, even said so here, but hoped he would get better even if the competition was not hamstrung by injuries.

    So far he has not.
     
  17. shelbyblue

    shelbyblue Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2013
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    5
    Would like to see him for a whole game if Geno blows another one. Rexy can't be so loyal to a QB turnover machine "again" or he will lose the other 52 in the locker room.
     
  18. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2006
    Messages:
    7,214
    Likes Received:
    3,279
    Of course he's failing because of lack of talent around him. It's been well documented how awful his skill position players are. You are overhyping these players because they're on the Jets. If you stepped outside of the Jets lens and looked at it from a league-wide perspective, you would realize that Powell is a reserve career backup RB and Ivory is as injury prone as they come and his limited body of work in the pros backs that up. Saying that Ivory is better than Greene is like saying that Simms is better than Garrard. Not setting the bar high at all. And Powell is no Darren Sproles out of the backfield so Geno doesn't have a true pass catching RB threat.

    We have no idea how Sanchez would have done with those other players. That's all hypotheticals and excuses, nothing more. What you saw out of Sanchez was a QB who got worse with every snap in every game over the last 2 years. It's clear that you are a Sanchez supporter because you're still harping on him. Move on from Sanchez, his days as a pro QB are numbered. He was never even an average pro QB.

    Smith has some of the worst offensive skill players around him that any team in the league has. This is well known by even the average NFL fan. There's not one playmaker on the Jets offense that strikes fear into opposing defenses, not one.
     
  19. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,579
    Likes Received:
    4,964
    So Smith is sucking because the people around him and Sanchez sucked because he sucked?

    16 completions in two games threw two picks and had eight completions last week does not get much worse than that even he was throwing to Chaz Schilens and an old hurt Braylon Edwards.
     
  20. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    this is utter nonsense. The Jets actually have a better RB tandem right now than they have had for years. The TE rotation is far from the worst in the league as well.

    Blaming the receivers for the kinds of turnovers Smith has thrown can only be done by those who do not watch the games or who do and do not understand them.
     

Share This Page