I was a defender of Herm because of the "three in five" argument. Having suffered through the playoff-less 70's and almost playoff less 90's -- Ill judge a coach on wins and losses. That being said, his weaknesses were many -- and he is not a good coach. The KC Star in todays paper -- revealed that HE's clock management skills may be lacking. Ya think? Im so glad not to have to listen to this nonsense after a game. Shocking development in KC: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/15545050.htm Chiefs struggle against clock Things get especially confusing on Huard’s questionable timeout at the end of the second quarter. By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star DENVER | With better clock management, the Chiefs might have left Invesco Field at Mile High with their first road win against the Broncos in six years. They would have at least given themselves a better chance. But in their first close game with Herm Edwards as coach, they wasted precious seconds at the end of the first half and fourth quarter and wound up losing 9-6 in overtime. Edwards was also plagued with clock-management issues during his time as head coach of the Jets. The situation was particularly ugly near the end of the second quarter. The Chiefs, in a scoreless game, had a second down at the Denver 11 with 9 seconds left. The clock was stopped because Samie Parker had gone out of bounds after catching a pass on the previous play, so they could have tried one more play before attempting a field goal. Quarterback Damon Huard burned the last timeout of the half as the Chiefs were breaking their huddle and heading toward the line of scrimmage. That left the Chiefs with no reasonable choice but to kick the field goal right then. Explanations varied. Guard Brian Waters indicated Huard may have had trouble getting the play call in proper time. Edwards said the Chiefs weren’t going to get the play started before the play clock expired perhaps because Huard was confused. “We might have given the quarterback too much in the two-minute (situation),” Edwards said. “The guy hasn’t played a lot. We can’t give him that much.” Huard, meanwhile, was worried about the Chiefs’ ability to get the three points. “With nine seconds, I didn’t want to have a bad play,” he said. “I just thought it made the most sense with where we were at that point to take the timeout and make sure we got the three points. “We weren’t lined up right. It just wasn’t right. I didn’t want to have a bad play and get no points at all.” The Chiefs again struggled late in the fourth quarter. With the score 6-6, the Chiefs had a first down at their 42 at the 2-minute warning. But two plays — one being an 11-yard Larry Johnson run that moved the Chiefs past midfield — burned one minute, 19 seconds. The Chiefs didn’t use their second timeout until 32 seconds remained and never used their third. “We thought about (using timeouts), but then it got to third and 13,” Edwards said. “We wanted to get the ball, drive down and kick a field goal with no time left, but we lost some yards. We needed to at least get to the 30, but we couldn’t do that.”
You play to???? What time is it? Anyone got a watch? Herm's time in KC won't be very long, will it? Time time time got no time, time time time got no time!
I agree wholeheartedly. There is a thread in the NFL forum devoted to such things, and that is where this belongs.
The point is: It was not about the Jet players -- it was about the coaching staff. As i mentioned before, in training camp, Mangini went nuts at Chad for wasting a time out. Those details, getting people in and out of games; getting plays in -- that falls on the Coaching Staff. Herm, for some reason doesnt think thats important. You can see the difference in the jets so far this year.
We burned 2 timeouts way too early and then failed to move the ball to the sidelines at all during our last possesion, causing the eventual hail mary interception.
I think you fail to understand how football works. THere was no CLOCK management issues with the last drive. You cannot throw to the sidelines when the pats are sitting there (and they were) waiting. The only problem was that we left Chadwick in there, when we should have put in Clemens -- the strongest arm on the team. we used the timeouts to stop them from burning the clock. the defense couldn't come up with any stops though
First of all, Ramsey has a stronger arm than Clemens. Second of all, I don't care if the Patriots were sitting on the sidelines--all teams guard the lines in a 2 minute drill. Yet somehow teams still score. It's because that is a situation where you have to take risks. If you can't somehow draw out the coverage then you are waving a white flag because you aren't gonna win the game by throwing short over the middle. That'll just put you in position to throw a pick at the end of the game, just like throwing to the sides will. There comes a time where you have to beat good coverage, and the Jets didn't even bother to attempt to do it.
Is this a joke? If Herm was coaching the Jets yesterday, they never would have made it a game. The final score would have been 35-3 or something stupid like that. For the first time in years, this team is showing resolve in tough situations and the willingness to lay it all on the line. These are characteristics of a champion - not saying we're championship material, but these are required characteristics the team never showed under Edwards.
I have to agree here. I don't recall the point in the game, but that series of plays where they ran the sneak on first down, and then ran on second was right out of Herm's book. And on the final drive, they had time to try at least 2 plays to the sideline. If you chuck up a hail mary, it gets intercepted and there's still time on the clock when the other team takes possession, you misplayed it. That said, I thought the coaches did a good job otherwise.
I agree 100% with everything you just said. But that doesn't change the fact that the Jets were painfully underprepared for the start of the game (remember how we went down 24-0???) and that they screwed up clock management at the end of both halves. That's on the coaching staff to solve.
Huh? We "burned" the time outs while they were driving the field. If we dont use our time outs there the game would have been over before the kick? We used them, I think with about 3 or 4 minutes left. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with what they did.
The Jets were not underprepared. They were overmatched. Also, there were zero significant clock issues. Matter of fact, I will take it one step further and say that there were no clock issues.
