I love chad, but does anybody think that the Jets should have possibly put in Clemens, or Ramsey to complete a long bomb at the end of the game?
I do think that if the jets were going to through the hail mary there (with 15 secs left from their own 45) -- perhaps Ramsey/Clemens should have come in to throw it. Other teams have done something like that in similar situations.
When? I don't recall ever seeing that. I remember a DB named Marcus Coleman catching a Hail Mary once because he was 6-4 and we had no tall WRs after the Keyshawn trade. But he was already playing in the game and warmed up.
Absolutely. I have seen games where other teams have brought in their stronger armed back up to throw the 60 yard HM. (Im not sure that the jets ever have done that).
as much as i love chad and mangini, mangini should have put in Ramsey to throw a bomb to coles instead of chad
I have news for you guys...THAT THROW WASN'T MEANT TO GO IN THE ENDZONE!!! There's a reason Chad threw it along the sideline and not down the middle of the field. If he was trying to reach the endzone, what makes you think he'd make the longer throw to the opposite side of the field????????
I can just see it now. Ramsey comes in and throws the same pass, with the same results. Mangini hanged for putting in Ramsey who is known to throw INTs. Clemens comes in and throws the same pass, with the same results. Mangini is hanged for putting a young inexperienced rookie into that situation. You people will never be happy. We were out of the game long before this. If not for the blocked FG, we wouldn't have even had the opportunity to attempt a ridiculously long Hail Mary. Not one QB in football would have had better results. The Pats had 5 guys up, and 6 back. 3 of those guys back were 30 yards out before the snap. Even if the pass was a 50 yarder, and completed, whoever caught it would have been popped by at least 2 defensive backs.
Granted Mangini would have been hung if he took out Chad, but that throw was good 2-3 yds short, but Ramsey could have thrown it a little further to give Cotchery a chance, but short WRs doesnt help this situation
winston, you keep saying this stuff, but I wonder if anyone is listening? If the worst thing that anyone could say about yesterday is that Ramsey should have thrown the Hail Mary, I would say that that would constitute an amazing coaching performance. It isn't, of course - the terrible run blocking and the complete lack of a pass rush are much more pressing concerns, and it will be interesting to see if the coaches and players can come up with ways to deal with them. As to Chad, I will freely admit that he has performed much more effectively than I thought he would, especially given the lack of a running game. Having said that, he still is who he is, and he'll never have the rocket arm other QBs do. Rehashing that over and over seems to me to be a waste of time.
You are right about having to run the ball sometimes, and even Houston did it. I think, but maybe I am giving HS too much credit, by saying he means to say why don't we have the pass setup the run instead of the other way around. The problem with that theory is we do not have a big arm QB who can loosen the D with big throws. This is part of the reason why we struggle running. Teams play us with 8 in the box knowing we'll struggle to go over the top.
He didn't throw it to the sideline because he wanted it to go to the end zone, although that was a hail mary. Hail Mary passes do not need to go to the corner.. they're better near the middle so the ball can be tipped and caught. I'm not saying dead middle, but not along the sideline. Regardless, who cares if he's incapable of a hail mary pass. I'm not judging any QB on their hail mary ability
if chad had to throw the ball to the endzone, he wouldnt have been able to, so thats the story, Chad doesnt have the range that a starting QB should! Just look at brett he's 40 and he can launch a bomb!
I'm just guessing here but if we had Bret Favre on the team he probably throws that pass, he might have even started if we drafted him? We have Ramsey and Clemens, Chad is simply much better than they are. I bet Vinny could still make that throw, would you prefer him to Chad?
so he throws a pass to Coles earlier in the game that traveled about 55-60 yards in the air, yet if he had to throw it in the endzone from his own 45, he wouldn't be able to make that throw again? stop being cynical and saying things with no merit behind it. that was a set play that was meant to go along the sideline and WAS meant to be short of the endzone.
no i wouldnt just b/c Vinny is old and immobile while chad is young and somewhat mobile, i was just saying Vinny would have gotten the chance for the hail marry, i wouldnt wnat him starting over Chad
I was vey worried about Chad starting this year but he has been better than anyone could have realistically imagined. His arm is fine, and I think that there is little chance it will be injured again. I talked to my mom's orthopedist last December and he said that his arm could wind up being stronger than it ever was before, and that seems to be true. I think his passes have MORE zip on them than they ever have and I am totally unconcerned about his arm strength. The only pass he cannot throw real well at this time would be a two hash deep out and that is what you are whining about. Chad is playing like a pro-bowl QB he is NOT one of our problems. Plus, Clemens now gets a chance to mature for a couple years as backup and will be ready when he takes over.
It is simply untrue that he can't throw 50+ yards: NYJ v. SD playoff game, 8 January 2005: http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=250108024 SANTANA MOSS 47 YD PASS FROM CHAD PENNINGTON (DOUG BRIEN KICK) He threw it from 5 yards back of the line of scrimmage and Moss caught it two yards deep in the endzone. He did this with a torn rotator cuff, correct? I don't think it is Chad worship to point out that in fact he can throw the ball fifty yards in the air. TBTF
that one throw doesn't dignify that he can do it all the time, chad is def not our problems its the backfield
