From PFT --- A league source tells us that the reputation of Chiefs coach Herman Edwards is taking some hits in response to his recent comments that, in the opinion of some league insiders, constitute an implicit slap at former K.C. coach Dick Vermeil. Deflecting the suggestion that he's too conservative, Edwards on Tuesday placed blame for the team's low scoring output in the season opening loss to Cincinnati on the offense that was in place prior to his arrival. "If the people went to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play, that's the same offense they've watched for the last five years ? shifts, motions," Edwards said. "Maybe I should change, because if we're only going to score 10 points and we'll get the quarterback killed, then maybe I should change the offense." Edwards' comments remind us of the fatherly advice offered up by Homer Simpson after he'd possibly consumed the venom of a poison blowfish. According to Homer, three simple statements are all you need to get by at work: (1) "Cover for me"; (2) "Good idea, boss!"; and (3) "It was like that when I got here." So it's not the fault of Edwards or his coaching staff in teaching the offense or of the players assembled by King Carl Peterson in executing it. The problem, Edwards suggests, is the offense itself. It was like that when I got here. Hey, if the Chiefs really wanted continuity on offense, they should have given the job to offensive coordinator Al Saunders. Then again, King Carl was quick to point out on Tuesday that Saunders didn't fare much better in Week One: "[Edwards] hasn't [changed the offense]," Peterson said. "We're running our offense, the Kansas City Chiefs offense that has been run the last five years, OK? The Kansas City offense didn't score many points in Washington, D.C. [on Monday night] either, did it?" The point here is that the offense that was put in place by Dick Vermeil and Al Saunders is an effective attack, if the team has compiled the right players to run it, the right coaches to teach it, and the right offensive coordinator to pick the plays that will be used against a given defense -- and to call the right plays at the right time (e.g., something other than a run into the middle of the line on third-and-five from the opponents' 11).
because my friend - it goes to justify what SOME OF US have been saying since he got to NY as head coach - and proves that some of us were WRONG in defending him here in NY. If he does the same or worse in KC, it goes to prove what Herm Haters have been saying about the guy...that despite his record of taking the Jets to the playoffs, he's a lousy coach...and that we'd have done even better with a coach who knew what the hell he was doing. It also goes the issue of dishonesty and willingness to throw anyone under the bus to deflect from his own inteptitude. (Very Howard Cosell, don't you think?)
it doesn't justify anything, he was SUCCESSFUL HERE, why should we care what he does in KC? You act like we were 4-12 every year he was here andd forget the good times we had- he's the ONLY coach in Jets history w/ 3 playoff appearances, he's tied for most playoff wins, he's tied for most AFC east titles, we only had 9 PO appearances in 40+ years and in 5 years we had 3 w/ him. No he didn't get us to the SB but he gave us good times and made us BETTER than when he took over.
Why didn't we make the postseason the 2 years before Herm? Why had we only made it twice in 14 years prior to herm? To say we won "in spite of Herm" you are saying we were so unbelievably talented that we could win no matter whbo the coach well a) why didn't we win the 2 previous years and b) why dod Parcells, Belicchick AND Groh all walk out on us?
He did NOT make us better than when he got here - that's the key to the whole thing! He rode the coattails of the Parcells regime into the ground. He doesn't deserve credit for the team's success - just like he's always willing to blame others for his own failure. The Jets won in spite of Herm, and in retrospect might have done BETTER with a Head Coach who knew what the hell he was doing!
Successfull here why? Because he took over a team coached and built by Bill Parcells? YEEEEEEEEEEEP If we had BP the last 5 years I think we would have gotten not just a better record but further into the playoffs.
That's kind of silly, isn't it? I'm rooting for Herm to lose because it would be fun from a Jets fan perspective, but anyone deserves credit or blame if they are the HC. 04 - San Diego..credit. Pittsburgh........blame. Kinda basic.
A team that went to the playoffs ONCE in 4 years(3 years w/ BP, 1 w/ Groh), how did he ride the coattails of the Parcells regime? The team was overall mroe successful in his time there than during the BP years.
Parcells has made the playoffs twice in his last 6 years coaching. Is Herm as agood a caoch as BP? Of course not but maybe BP is just over the hill, he hasn't gotten the job done in Dallas and couldn't finish the job here.
Herm wasn't responsible for Pioli, Weis, Crennel etc. in NE. After they hit the jackpot with Brady they were pretty much unstoppable. Since 2001 only Herm and Shanahan have beaten the Pats when it counted.
Parcells/Groh took over a 1 & 15 team and made it to the AFC Champoinship Game and had a record of 38 & 26 better than 59% in the regular season. Edwards tool over a 9 & 7 team and never made it out of the 2nd round and had a 39 & 41 record which is below a 49% winning record in the regular season. The team was a serious SB contender once and that was in 98 under Parcells.
Sunday night football Week 16 2002. The following week the Jets ended the Pats (and Miami's season) when they demolished the Packers. Since 2001 only Herm and Shanahan have ended the Pats season short of a Super Bowl.
I think the point is, Herm's presence was only a marginal reason for our win. had we had someone who knew what they were doing, we could perhaps had more victories over the pats when it counted.
I generally agree with NYUNC--that HE gets credit for leading them to 3 playoffs in 5 years. You can say that they did it "in spite" of him -- but then you can say Kotite/Walton/Coslet were great coaches because the team "lost" in spite of how good they were. For the most part (and there are exceptions) coaches are judged on wins and losses and in the NFL on playoff appearances. That being said, you had to laugh when the Chiefs run the ball into the line three times in the red zone and then claim they lost track of the downs. Precious.
Junc....all do respect..its acutally kind of simple. He took over a team that was pretty respectable. He took that team and backed in to the playoffs twice..and made the playoffs another time. Herm DOES have the ability to bullshit...and he did a fair job of selling the players his lines...and for that...he deserves credit I guess. Heres my major problem with Herm (I have about 50 minor problems..so thats for another day) Herm basically took a Parcells roster and did some decent things with it. When asked whats the most important thing a coach can do before he leaves...when everyone knew he was a goner...he said that its to leave the team better than you found it. Just another lie...did he actually believe he was leaving the team better than he found it? He lied on a constant basis...and for the local media..they overlooked it because he was a one man quote fest..and did their jobs for them..and got away with murder while he was here with disgusting game management..and game decisions..and the media for the most part, let him slide like a puck on ice. You had to come to boards like this to vent what we knew as the truth...but the media never covered....not until they realized the end was near did the begin to question him about it. The reward when finally questioned was the "leave the team better than he found it". Now..you cant say he left the team better than the one he was handed...gift wrapped. Because of that...he is quickly being exposed for all the things that 80% of the posters knew about him a long...long...long..time ago...and the media has the nerve...the friggin nerve...to write articles like the one above...like they are breaking news or knew this about herm all along...which is a joke..a damn joke.
