Coddled? Are you joking? They shackled him with a shit OC. Never drafted a blue chip RB, or WR,utting aging vets and retreads around him. And yet... His PPG, and completion pct. increased each of his forst 3 years. Its clear what the problem was, in this case.
geezus reading thru numerous threads this offseason and occasionally posting an opinion or 2 - i find myself fatigued from the draft to the ongoing sanchez soap opera and the huge question marks surrounding the entire organization. and we havent played a preseason game yet. is the season over yet??
Manning? Are you Joking? mannnig? /jimmora Well....probably not. But...is he getting Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, and Tom Moore? And thats the thing of it....this is a guy thats been successful, to a greater or lesser extent under one of the worst OCs in football. With no prime talent. All these guys bitch when they get called on it, see above... But... http://callingtheplay.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-about-schottenheimer.html Check the chart. You camn add to the four playoff road wins (you know where the team carried him) and add to that in 2011, to be the highest scoring QB under Schittenheimer, ever. favre tossed more TDs, but Nacho ran it in 6 times.
That is not scapegoating him. If he's sucking at his job he deserves to be benched. You adding the "any other QB in there has no chance" is your typical Sanchez excuse making. Shonne Greene and Joe McKnight and Bilal Powell was there attempt to add a blue chip RB prospect around Sanchez. 2 out of the 3 didn't pan out. Braylon and Holmes weren't "aging" Holmes is only 29 and Braylon just turned 30. They drafted Stephen Hill and Kerley in back to back drafts.
OMG! You're right. He went from a 53.8% completion pct. to a 54.8% to a TRULY IMPRESSIVE 56.7% completion pct. Of all the arguments...you chose completion pct? Really? Yes coddled. As in treat him like a baby. Hand him the reigns after 1 season in college. Give him a color coded wristband. Blame everyone else around him.
Jil, the simple fact os the Sanchez soap opera is a media creation, fueled by his ridiculous amount of turnovers. Look at the link above. When, on ESPN, or in the print media does any sports "journalist" take the time to put it in the. context of WHAT je was asked to do offensivelly. Id say out scoring Pennington, and Favre, and Bracdfords"career year :rofl2 should be the starting point of the discussion.
the intent was there to add to talent around sanchez but it always seems like a half-hearted approach - dictated in part by other contracts, the cap, and the jets ridiculous tebow/sporano thing. compare that with the falcons and what they have done for ryan.
No, I chose scoring. Completion percentage doesnt win games. Find me a qb under schottenheimer that put up 32 scores. Coddled? Again, where is the blue chip talent drafted to surround him as hes grown? He debelops chemistry with braylon, they trade a duo, for a guy getting out of prison. The first talent drafted to support him was Hill. Kerley was a find, but ...there was no true first round skill player, drafted before hill.
He's been coddled beyond insanity in terms of being Rex's golden child, never having to be worried of being benched, regardless of performance. Since "Mark gives us the best chance to win" [TM] By default. Even now he's being coddled. Coz there's always another page that can be turned in Rex's book when it comes to Sanchez. You can always and forever look forward and give people chance after chance, ignoring repeated mistakes in the past. For how long though? Have playing in two AFC finals resulted in giving a player limitless second chances? Or does it even stop with Rex, if ever? I said it already two years ago - there's an unhealthy level of individual pride that has run this team lately (from both Rex and Tanny), where names are more important than ability. "Coz they're my guys!" And none more so than when it comes to Sanchez. It was utterly painful watching Rex's pressers last season when Mark threw INT after INT, yet sticking with #6 like he was family and had no choice. It was painful because Rex couldn't justify his decision and reasoning - eventually he caved in to the NY press cunts and just resorted to "I know in my heart" and "I got a gut feeling" we should do it like this. That's why the signing of the decade is Idzik; as anyone with a sound brain understands that's not a good way to run a team. The first words coming out of Idzik's mouth? This team needs competition. And I'm already feeling uneasy about hearing Marty slowly starting to sound like the dodging Rex when defending their decisions, pretending to be surprised the rest of the Jets nation has seen things differently.
The mistake the FO made was overvaluing Sanchez ability to take the next step. Tanny thought he could cheat by assuming Sanchez could keep the offense steady while they rebuild. Holmes, Keller, Greene and retreads like Plax were thought to be enough. They drafted Kerley in 2011 which was a good pick, then Stephen Hill last year still remains to be seen. I don't think the FO has totally neglected the offense. They just seem to go after projects.
Braylon was a guy known for having the dropsies. And then, Edwards pulls a dui, and they replace the one fuy not named Keller to develop chemistry with a guy coming out of 3 years in prison? I liked plax as well, but...cmon man..taking castoffs and retreads, is not how tou support a young QB. And, Holmes was a guy with attitude issues, which we all saw in Miami. Greene, 3rd round, mcKnight 4th round Blue Chip? Kerley 3rd rd. Hill was rhe first premier talent drafted to join this offense.
i hear ya hobbes and u are right about the media. i know we differ about sanchez and his comeback potential this year but its all good. gonna make for an incredibly active board this season.
I'm with you on the surrounding offensive talent. You need to read the context of the post. I was referring to a claim that Sanchez was used as a "scapegoat" the first 2 years.
He didn't worry about having to be benched his first 3 years b/c he didn't deserve it at any point. last year he did and he was.
sure is an argument for that. they didn't have the firepower to move up and get the A grade receivers out of college and they also didn't have the luxury, like the giants, where they could pick a receiver every april cause their D was set in stone. seemed like when the jets were picking fullbacks and corners the giants were taking WR's funny stuff but all in the views of how to build a football team.
I never said that I agreed with their logic. Rex wanted to draft the best available defensive players in the 1st round. So it put that much more pressure on Tanny and the FO to find guys in the later rounds. I agree that they did do Sanchez a disservice by not bringing back Braylon or at least bringing someone else equal or greater in talent to Braylon. I do think the 11 group of Greene and LT in the backfield and Holmes, Keller, Plax and Kerley while not great was pretty decent imo. In today's NFL you can find a good RB in the later rounds and every year some good RB emerge as a late round pick. The Jets passed on Alfred Morris in the 6th round last year. Greene while not great was a solid RB and Powell has gotten better every year.
Sanchez supporters, I understand all of your arguments. I get where you're coming from. I wish they developed him correctly, had a true OC to grow with and surrounded him with young offensive playmakers. I hope he gets the nod this year, because I believe it's better for "awl of tha pahties involved". Mark has proven some good qualities during his tenure and I want to see him get another shot since we're a ways away from a Super Bowl. You can discuss the past all you want. What could have been, should have been. BUT now we have a proven offensive coordinator. No Tebow distraction. I'm still not so sure about the surrounding talent on offense, but some of you are. So if Mark gets the nod, what are you expectations for him this season?
No. Sanchez will start the season, and is better against the first 4 opposing defenses, than 3 of the first 4 qbs we face against our defense, and has beaten the other. Our defense is the key in week2. Week 2 is also why circumstances dictate thant unless Geno, suddenly becomes Joe Montana, Sanchez is under center week 1. That game, could decide the division. The jets will beat TB,Buff,Tenn. i give them a good shot on that Thursday night game, with NEs diminished offense. Once thathappens, this thread will die, and the Geno thread will light up with the " he would have done it too" posse.
