Foley won a game as a starter for the Jets in 97 and won his first (and only) start for the Seahawks in 99. But, I agree there was no way Parcells could pull Vinny after his amazing play in 1998. Foley would have been a better back-up option than Mirer in 1999 and he'd shown promise in his limited playing time. And Parcells believed he was a good player (he'd really pushed him to take over from O'Donnell), he just refused to forgive him for that one mistake... unless there's more to the situation than I'm aware of, which is more than possible!
my mistake, I wasn't as clear as I should have been. he never started and finished a game we won. 1997 NE: relieved O'Donnell 1997 Bal: relieved O'Donnell 1997 at Chi: got hurt and O'Donnell finished game we should have kept him as a backup in '99, Parcells made a mistake there. Terrible owner as far as on field product, great owner for fans as far as not gouging us.
In the "not gouging" department, our current owner isn't even close. Leon truly cared about the fans. The product on the field could have been better, yes, but Leon was smart enough to realize he wasn't a "football guy" and so he didn't "meddle." He probably was loyal to his employees to a fault, to the extent that he stuck with player personnel and coaches probably longer than he should have, so to that extent you could say he was a "bad owner." But in his later years, he did bring in Parcells, who brought us Bill Belichik, and who knows where we'd be had that whole Parcells-Belichick thing not unexpectedly blown up the way it did on that final day. He was trying to make amends and make it up to the fans for all he years of walking in the wilderness after 1969. So no, I don't consider Leon a total "bad owner" overall. He couldn't get us to another Superbowl appearance (let alone a win), it's true, and for that, he gets a D+. But for fan support and keeping prices reasonable, he gets an A in my book. What has this greedy asshole Woody done for us? On the field he's brought us bandaids like Ty Law and Brett Favre. He did this because he needed to sell his cockamamie PSLs and then run the ticket prices through the freaking roof. So I give Woody the same D+ I gave Leon, but instead of getting an A for fan appreciation, this fucking bum gets an F from me!
Woody gouges us but has given us winning teams, Leon was clueless. he made one bold move in the last few years of his life bringing in BP and BP then screwed up the BB thing and I'm not sure BB works out unless he gets Brady anyway. Woody has been great for the team on the field, terrible for the fans paying $ but that is better than not being gouged and seeing a terrible team on the field every year. Hess became sole owner in 1984: 1984-1999(16 seasons): 5 winning seasons 8 losing seasons 4 playoff seasons 2 playoff wins(1 WC, 1 div) 1 title game app 1 div title Woody(2000-2012, 13 seasons): 8 winning seasons 4 losing seasons 6 playoff seasons 6 playoff wins(4 WC, 2 div) 2 title game apps 1 div title
Why wouldn't you feel bad for someone if they were genuinely trying but inept and died before they could achieve the success they were looking for? If anything that makes him a more sympathetic figure.
He wasn't genuinely trying, he was genuinely hoping. A man that fires Pete Carroll after 1 year and hired Rich Kotite isn't a man that is trying.
Its funny I feel bad for Hess for being inept at ownership, but I dont at all feel bad for your ineptitude at forming logical thoughts.
This is exactly the type of response I would expect from one of the worst posters on the board who has no clue about football.
What about moving us out of Queens and into Giants Stadium. And having the indignity of playing at Giants Stadium for 25 years. Shea wasn't "ours" in the same way it wasn't the Mets...so we got a bit of a raw deal. So did the Steelers in 3 Rivers starting seasons on the road. But going to games and seeing "GIANTS STADIUM" was a knife through my heart. That's a major black mark on Hess. He was fine being the Giants doormats...same way the Wilpons are fine being the Yankees doormats. Its a loser mentality. Metlife Stadium isn't great, but it's not Giants Stadium. And it's as much ours as it is theirs. That's at least a step in the right direction, to be on equal footing with the stadium rather than tenants. Even if it is a big air conditioner that both fanbases have issues with
But every fan base has been gouged. It's just changing of the times. I'm sure Browns fans are lamenting days of the cheap ticket at Cleveland Stadium, and Bears fans are feeling gouged at the new Solider Field. If Leon had to steward this team into a new football era, then perhaps prices would rise as well. He was a business man first and foremost.
Hess's mistake was not hiring Parcells in 1993 when instead Parcells took the Patriots HC job. The Jets were 4-12 in 1992 and Parcells wanted to return to coaching. Hess should have cleaned house then and hired Parcells to HC and run the football operation. It would have been great having the Tuna then!
I don't want to get into the ownership issue, Mr Hess wanted to win as much as Woody does. As far as Bill Parcell's is concerned, the ONLY thing he did for the Jets was finally bring us a BIT of respectability. The BS about leaving because of new ownership is just that,BS!! Woody begged him to stay , then he told anyone who would listen, he was burned out and didn't want to coach anymore. Then he turns around a year later to coach the Cowboys. Bill Parcell's became a total coaching whore after he left the Giants. He went to whoever gave him the biggest paycheck always keeping his eye open for the next sucker he could bilk. Then I read recently how he made a mistake leaving NE to come to the Jets. Sorry guys, but Tuna was always a very good coach, yet ,except for the Giants he has never stuck around to finish the job. In the Jets case, he left the franchise in a cap mess. Sorry folks but Bill's pedestal crumbled for me long ago This is why I don't understand the hate for Rex. Here is a coach who wants nothing more then the time to build his. football team. Then take that team to a Super Bowl and win it.
