Way too early strategy to beat TB

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  1. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    You forgot to include that they run 'stretch' plays mostly, then play draws off the stretch runs and pass plays; that requires athletic AND smart OLs that can pull, trap and run in space. With possibly two rookie OGs on the line-up, I really don't know if that's the route you want to go to at this phase of the offense. Mastering pass protection alone will be a tall order already. Do you want to strain them with all the blocking assignments and schemes as well?

    On top of that, these are not possible without viable passing attack in the first place. In case of Skins this time of the year, the offense establishes the run through the dual threat of inside/outside zone read from RGIII - which Jets do not have. [And RGIII is a pretty good passer off the run/in the pocket.]
     
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    The point of the WCO is to stretch the defense horizontally and make them defend sideline to sideline, particularly in the first 7 yards from the line of scrimmage.

    Running a lot doesn't help in that regard because the direction a play is going is pretty obvious from the snap and most runs are between the tackles.

    MM's version of the WCO adds more vertical stretch to try to increase the area the defense has to defend but the price you pay for that is more passes overall.

    Put another way: you can't run MM's WCO with a run heavy game plan. The runs don't stretch the defense enough horizontally and neither do the deep passes. The short passing game doesn't get enough throws in that situation and you are no longer running a true WCO, no matter how the plays are drawn up. The mix is just as important as the actual plays.
     
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  3. Jake

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    Forget it, you guys don't understand the point Im trying to make. It's common knowledge the horizontal route combinations are the pillar of the WCO, that doesn't need to be explained to me.

    If we're averaging 5 yds per carry on the ground and getting nowhere via pass you want to continue to just chuck it because the philosophy says so? Once our WRs and TEs can't beat press man cover, you'll be singing a different tune. They don't HAVE to throw 60% of the time. They can still run WCO plays with a 50:50 pass/run ratio.... I expect our pass offense to be garbage, but I think the run game could be sneaky good. We'll see.
     
  4. Zach

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    So did you even read what I had to say above?

    Last but not the least; believe in sprint option plays. That cluster of plays made Jake Plummer a serviceable QB - FUCKING JAKE PLUMMER!
     
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  5. Jake

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    ^Oh I believe. I loved the zone-blocking Callahan installed here, the OLs were dominant. Plummer is a prime example of what Im trying to convey, they ran the fuck out of the ball while he was their QB. Id like to see similar play-calling here because, sorry, but Im not confident with Mark Sanchez under center and think our skill players will struggle to get open. Just my opinion obviously.

    It will be interesting to see how Howard plays this yr in (I believe) zone block as opposed to last yrs man blocking style. Youre right about OG being an issue potentially, I think Colon will be a steal if healthy though.
     
  6. Zach

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    1. Colon is a huge question mark.

    2. You're better off to assume Jets have two rookie OGs.

    3. That sure limits the amount of offensive playbook they can install. It is prudent to make things simpler for the rookie OGs.

    4. Thus, after basic package, there is only so much time for all the intricate blocking schemes and assignments. There is simply no time for that - nor experience.

    5. OL is not the strength of this offense that it once was a while ago. If the picks turn out competent, they will be the strength of the offense again, but till then, it'd be better to give them some time to learn and grow.

    6. In terms of experience, Sanchez and Holmes have the most in the entire offensive crews - it would make sense to rely on them.

    I was stating the obvious.
     
  7. Jake

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    Colon will land a starting job if healthy, thats stating the obvious. Winters is more of a question mark than goddam Peterman. In terms of experience, Brick, Colon and Mangold have the most. It doesnt make sense to rely on Mark Sanchez ever.
     
  8. Br4d

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    The strategy for beating the Bucs starts with not starting Mark Sanchez.

    It's unreasonable to expect any of the Jets QB's to win game one next season because all of them have things going against them in the matchup.

    Sanchez has the fact that he's just not a good QB and he has crumbled under pressure most of the time since the midway point of 2011.

    Geno Smith has the fact that he'll be a rookie making his first start. That's a particularly hard game for a rookie to win and the Bucs defense isn't going to make things easier.

    The other two guys just aren't NFL QB's and should not be expected to win any game they start in the NFL at this point.

    The path to a really long season for the Jets next year runs through starting things off with Sanchez. Because he's not going to win many games with his skills and the state of the Jets roster.

    Then you replace him with Geno Smith at some point and no clear expectation that Smith will win many of his first 5 starts, because most rookies don't do all that well as they are acclimating to the NFL.

    So at that point you have the Jets at 3-7 or something like that and the main reason is that the first 10 starts went sequentially to QB's unlikely to do much with them.

    If you start the season off with Geno Smith you might well be 3-7 also at the 10 game mark but you have accomplished the job of getting Smith through his first few starts (bad) and through the very rough patch in the schedule (bad) and you still have 6 games to go under better circumstances for Geno to show you he belongs.

    I actually expect the Jets to win game one unless the QB has a really bad day. It may be unreasonable on my part to have that expectation but I think Rex's defense will figure things out against a mediocre Bucs offense unless the Jets offense is handing the Bucs points in a big way.
     
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    Best believe Revis will come off the corner at least once to blitz which is what I always wanted to see him do .

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  10. Make no mistake Tampa will be tough for the Jets.The Jets strengths at least theoretically are there fronts. Tampa's O-line is very talented & will not be intimidated by the jets front 7.

    Meanwhile on defense..much like the Jets, they have alot of early round picks invested in the DL..I wouldn't bet against them developing under a defensive coach like Schiano. Mccoy,Bowers , & Claibourne can be a handful.They added William Gholston in the draft who plays nothing like his cousin. He could be a monster.

    The talent in the secondary speaks for itself but they play mostly trap zone anyway. You can throw on this type of D. You must avoid coverage traps & protect the QB.

    This is a D that was ran on last year..you could really pound the ball against them. It will be interesting to see if that changes.
     
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    I hope Revis blitzes all game. Are you seriously worried about him blitzing? I mean, the best cover guy in the game by a longshot but who gives a fuck if he blitzes? I hope they take him out of coverage.
     
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    Well Doug Martin is gonna be a tough matchup for the jets. We will likely see a 4-3 to start with the aim of stopping the run. The jets will dare freeman to beat them in the air.

    I would imagine the bucs will approach it the same way.
     
  14. usc1978

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    Tampa's run defense was the best in the league last year. Their passing defense was one of the worst of all time, which is why they signed Goldson and traded for Revis.

    I'm usually pretty optimistic, but I haven't gotten that, "Oh, we could be good if this, this and this happens" feeling yet. Despite the Bucs having a good run defense, we need to just keep pounding the ball and take the air out of it. Keep the clock running and make it a turnover game. If we get into any kind of offensive battle, we don't have the potency that they do.

    Defensively, we need to stop the run early and we need to hit Freeman. Make him make mistakes.
     
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    I'm more concerned with stopping their run, than running the ball. I think the key to beating TB is to throw it. Of course that will depend on Revis' health, however. I think our run D will be much improved.
     
  16. Br4d

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    Running a lot with the Jets personnel isn't going to be all that productive at this point. They have major durability concerns on at least two of their backs and Goodson has never carried a load either. So a run heavy offense might well be trying to shift the load to Bilal Powell by mid-season and that's not a winning strategy.

    The Jets brought in a pass first coordinator who has had some success. They drafted a QB out of a pass heavy offense. At some point they need to hook those two things up, the OC who likes to pass and the QB who passed a lot in college, and see if there's any chemistry there.

    If the Jets try to do the pound heavy offense we're just going to be watching a rolling disaster all year long. Even if it starts out well Chris Ivory is going to get hurt at some point and it will devolve into a formless mess again.
     
  17. Milliner is your Mommy

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    Who said Ivory is going to get hurt? Weren't you also the person who kept saying we'd be lucky if Landry would give us 9 games last season. Health is never guaranteed in either direction.
     
  18. Br4d

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    RB's get hurt a lot. Ivory gets hurt more often than most RB's. It's not hard to see him as an injury waiting to happen.

    The Jets may get lucky like they did with Landry last year but that's what it's going to take for them to get anything like a full season out of Ivory.
     

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