David Barrett's Cushion

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  1. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    for those of the homoerotic perverse ilk, this isn't about his ass; sorry to disappoint you.

    i'm more than happy with yesterday's win, and i've gone through all the good things, both in my mind and aloud, many times. but now i'd like to discuss some kinks that need be ironed out.

    by now, i feel like a broken record. it seems every year i complain about the cushion Barrett gives WR's. initially, i attributed it to the coaching; perhaps they instruct him to play off. but we're now amidst yet another D-coordinator, another system, and Barrett is guilty of the same thing: giving up 1st downs; especially on 3rd down. granted, he doesn't get beat deep, but how can he when he's playing so far off the WR? i guess it's better to not give up the big play, but when you think about it, allowing drives to continue on 3rd and 12, repeatedly, is also detrimental; it allows the opposing Offense to perpetuate drives, which results in points -- not to mention, it keeps a Defense from being elite.

    since we're past training camps, is there still time for the coaches to work with Barrett during each week? or is all of the time dedicated to gameplanning for the upcoming opponent? basically, how can Barrett's coverage improve so it's tighter?

    sorry for the mini-rant. but i get frustrated watching the D play stout for 2 downs, only to have the drive continue on 3rd and long.



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  2. The Uniform Bomber

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    or maybe i should have first asked, "does anyone actually care?"


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  3. Ohio Pork

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    Yes, I care...and I noticed it also. I've been bitching about this type of soft coverage for years. It goes beyond Barett (although he's the worst). It's always the same thing:

    3rd and 8....and the Jets CB's play a 10 yard cushion. And SURPRISE....they run an 8 yard out.

    I don't know what to say...I guess they are trying to avoid the big play. But for my money, I want to see an aggressive brand of coverage. Especially on 3rd down when you know they are throwing at the first down marker. But then again, I'm an overweight jew who has never taken a snap in his life. So what the hell do I know? If you want a stock tip...I'm your man!

    My biggest pet peeve.....right next to the prevent defense.
     
  4. The Uniform Bomber

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    haha. funny stuff.

    but yeah, i agree.

    it's like on 3rd and 8, chances are they're not going for the big play; they just want to convert and move the chains. so why play off the WR, when you know where the marker is, and where they want to go? i think if you play tight, then you force them to throw deep and go for the big play, which has a much lesser percentage of working.


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  5. Cakes

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    I actually don't mind the prevent defense. The problem is most coaches go to it too early in games.
     
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  6. The Uniform Bomber

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    that whole bend-but-don't break philosophy works in that it doesn't seem to give up many points. but it also prevents plays from being made, as well as the aformentioned 3rd down conversions. force a punt or turnover and it has the same effect as bend-but-don't-break.


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  7. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Terrible post made by me here a few hours ago. I was in a rush and didn't even finish my thought. I don't have time to fix it, so this deletion was the way to go.
     
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  8. Jake

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    I don't think anyone will ever be satisfied with our CB play. I've heard people criticize Miller, Dyson and Barrett throughout camp and preseason, yet I've also heard some praise them. There is never any unified decision on whether the cornerbacks play good or not.

    I don't think certain people will ever be satisfied with Barrett and Miller even though I think they are solid players.

    As for the cushion, I agree they could play him tighter on 3rd downs but they know more then we do when it comes to Barrett's skills. Obviously they feel he is more vulnerable when up close. Safety help could change that though.
     
  9. The Uniform Bomber

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    that's the conclusion i've come to; that they feel he will get beat deep. so i'm wondering if there's anything they can do about it? is the teaching stage gone, due to weekly gameplanning, or can they work with Barrett on his coverage skills so he doesn't give up 1st downs?



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  10. NYJet87

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    Barrett comes up short so often. The good outweigh the bad with him.
     
  11. Royal Tee

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    You guys do realize that this is NOT a players decision but a Coaches decision.

    To blame a Player for a Cusion is incorrect.
     
  12. penny10jet

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    Plus, Barrett doesnt have the speed Miller and Dyson have. The real problem is that he was covering their #1 WR Drew Bennet. That doesnt make sence to me. They were picking on him all day because hes our 3rd CB. If Bennett could catch the ball, or if their QB was in the system for more than a few days, he would have been burned plenty of times. You need to put Dyson on the 1WR and Miller on the 2. They were the ones that came up with the plays. Dyson with two incredibly athletic picks and Miller with the last play.
     
  13. BK_Jetsfan

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    Barrett is terrible. End of story.
     
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  14. Phyr

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    Word. If Barrett was not lining up like Mangini wanted he wouldn't be out there.
     
  15. Slagan7

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    I have to say this is a little ridiculous. I thought the Jets corners played as well as they should. How many Touchdowns did tennesse score via the pass? 0. That's right 0. Your not going to hold a QB to a completion 0% rating ever. The Jets did thier job by holding K. Collins to a 41.9 Qb Rating.

    The problem with playing up on the man with a 3rd down play, is that it is way easier to get burned. You play a man tight, it's easier to fall victim to stutter steps, ball fakes, and guys breaking off patterns, and it's way harder to follow the QB eyes and read the offense. By playing with a cushion, this allows you to read the whole field better. You also have to take into account where the safeties are playing. If they are lined stronger to one side then the other, you definately have to allow for cushion, because if you mess up, that's six points.

    Cushions are definately a coaches call, unless you really screw up.
     
  16. Freeman McNeil

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    From what I saw the cushion Miller was giving up during preseason was about the same as Barrett gave up yesterday. I don't know what people expect, receivers are going to get receptions and first downs. I think we have some pretty good CBs and they will improve as the season progresses.
     
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    Barrett is our #1 CB, it's just he's coming off an injury.
     
  18. kinghenry89

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    As stated above, it's the coaching staff's decision to back Barrett off. And IMO it's a good one because Barrett doesn't have great size or speed so he can't press good #1 reciever, but his instincts and hitting ability allow him to make up for a soft cushion at the line of scrimmage.
     

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