That 4th quarter QBR doesn't speak to some untapped potential waiting to be unleashes onto the league. It means the Broncos offense was operating in desperation mode which meant to throw it like crazy. Tim's awful play overall put them in positions that he had to keep throwing, there was no running out the clock for the Broncos in 2011. There are plenty of other quarterbacks in the league that complete passes and score points in the 4th quarter as well, the requirement to do so is lessened when they play a complete game and generate a lead. No NFL team should seek a QB who is awful 3/4 of each game.
He can't be bad at throwing, and only effective as a quarterback in the fourth quarter because he is throwing it like crazy. Pick one or the other, but you can't have both.
So... then why not have him throw like crazy the whole game and blow everyone out? That's the conclusion your reasoning is leading to.
Yes, Tim can be terrible at passing and occasionally be effective in the 4th quarter (see: Chiefs, Bills, Lions, Pats x 2). Tim having the highest 4th quarter QB rating among his peers does not say "Tim is effective as a quarterback in the 4th quarter." It says he has more completions/opportunities/yards than his peers in the 4th quarter. The point I was making is that he should be noticeably higher in that stat. Other QBs are busy playing complete games and creating leads for the 4th quarter. That is why QBs much better than Tim don't have the same passing numbers he does in the 4th quarter. Brady, Manning, Brees, Flacco, Lil Manning Roethlisberger, etc are handing the ball off and taking knees while Tim is having to pass. Your logic is faulty if you think Tim is always effective in the 4th quarter (what happened against the Chiefs? did he quit?) You are taking a stat that compares Tim to others and says it applies to Tim alone as a singular notion. Nice attempt at cornering me though, you based your argument on a faulty premise and overplayed your hand. It is such a problem that I am having to explain this to graduates from the fine University of Florida...a problem indeed
It's a problem that I have to explain to you why Tim was not asked to throw the ball like crazy all game: 1) John Fox would have put every cheerleader, vendor, and sideline reporter in harm's way (check out Tim's overthrown screen to Knowshon against the Dolphins for a laugh) 2) There was only a 46% chance Tim would find his mark. 3) Tim's passing put WRs in harm's way (no shit, this is a real thing). Dedrick Epps last play was coincidentally catching one of Timmy's patended hospital balls. 4) In Tim's 3rd year as a pro, he had the 4th most passing yards on a 6-10 team.
No jokes, these are some of the worst possible bullet points you could have written. They are so lacking in substance, it's astounding. 1) Not a serious statement 2) We are discussing the 4th quarter where his completion percentage was higher, so this is irrelevant. 3) First of all, what happened to Epps was unfortunate, but football players get hurt all the time. I don't think Tebow has a track record of getting his receivers hurt. Decker got hurt last year, but that was because of the placement of the defender's tackle. So yeah one time a guy gets hurt, and that was a freak occurrence and not Tebow's fault. 4) For this to have any argumentative value, they would have to have been all granted the same opportunity to throw. It's a hollow argument.
You have no business debating me. Seriously. I'm going to stop now because it's just not fair to you.
That top rating in the last 5 minutes is also a bit misleading. It not only means the Broncos were in desperation in part due to Tebow stinking up the place for the first 55 minutes, but it also means a lot of teams went into cruise control toward the end. They'd drop back into "bend but not break defenses" rather than sticking with what worked just about the entire day. Guys like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, etc. usually had the game wrapped up long before the last 5 minutes, and therefore didn't need to air it out against bend but not break defenses. they maybe had to do it three or four times. Tebow had to do it every game due to 3 1/2 quarters of ineptitude and suckage. It's simply going to make that stat look better when he has to do it three times as many times as any good QB does. That will lead to a higher average. Check out the first 3 1/2 quarter rating. His completion percentage was usually around the 30 percent range while the 4th he was able to get back to just under 50%. You'll see why they were always playing from behind the 8-Ball and that final shot usually came down to some freak in nature like a RB going out of bounds. Sorry, for that reason, I'm not as blown away by that stat as you are.
You assume all things are equal in respect to the overall teams talent level and coaching when you compare the Broncos to the Patriots and Packers. Also, why are we comparing Tebow to Brady and Rodgers? These are the two best QBs in the game right now. Of course they will be better. Not only that, their coaching and game planning is far superior. That is not all Tebow's fault. Surely, Tebow is partly to blame, but it's not very accurate to put it all on Tebow.
You're the one spouting off the 4th QBR as if it meant something. I'm just pointing out why it was higher than many of the great QBs in the league. Tebow's completion percentage is indeed higher in the 4th. Some of it is him. Some of it is teams stopping doing what worked all day and drop back a bit giving Tebow room to think and move. Stay in his face like you did all day, game over. Only one team stuck with the formula and that was KC in that last game. Tebow's last drive was over as quickly as all the others. Managed 3 points that day, and those only came when the KC punt returner muffed a punt, for which Tebow in typical Tim Tebow fashion finished the drive with a three and out. luckily, we started that drive in Prater's FG range or we would have ended up with the first shutout for the Broncos in 21 years.
This is the problem with Tebow being on the Jets roster. His fans think some meaningless stat is grounds for him to start rather than his practice performance. It is a problem that Tim's fans can't understand why Tim can be leading in something as menial as "4th quarter QBR" and it is not impressive. Leading any statistical category can be accomplished through a lot of goofy circumstances, it RARELY has anything to do with their ability to play well over along period of time. A talented Pro QB should be somewhere among the top half of the group in passing yards, completion %, etc. Digging up the handful of stats Tim leads is recognized as desparate and silly.
By the way I see that in 2011 Tim was 37th out of 39 QBs (includes backups) in Extra Points added. That should be more than enough proof that Tim is terrible. hahaha, Sanchez was much worse in 2012 too so it just proves the Jets are in shitty shape with Sanchez and disastrous shape with Tebow. Conclusion: Tim's low EPA proves he is not good enough for the NFL. It is statiscally proven now.
I was gonna break down how silly the comparison was, but I don't think u tried too hard on this one or really who it would be for. Anti-tebots and pro-tebots are pretty entrenched in their views and we have close to zero neutrals. You pro and anti guys are pretty much best friends, on here arguing, because you enjoy each others company.
I have to apologize. It was meant as a snarky, low effort, baseless post mocking the reliance on any handful of stats to make the case that any NFL player should start even though they perform poorly in major statistical categories.
He performs low in people's opinion based critical categories. He performed well in the same manner. That's why there are opposing articles on both sides. It's all opinion.
Not if the coaches who see him every day think he sucks too. Not everyone who passes through the league noticed or unnoticed is going to get a start or more to prove whether or not they suck if the coaches weren't impressed enough to give you a shot anyway. They may indeed have been frustrated with Sanchez. but if all they saw in Tebow was some suckwad that can't run the basic game plan... what can you do. They weren't interrested in tossing Tebow out there just cuz, only to see if he can sandlot football his way to a win. Maybe in the last 3 games when the season was over. you're kidding yourself if you think he might have had a chance in hell of turning the Jets around. The offense had a lot more problems than just Sanchez.
It's not that I can't refute the arguments made, it's just that there's no point to continue. We're never going to agree and just going in circles.
Tebow should be given the opportunity the very second he earns it and not a second later. He has yet to earn the starting job leaving camp, let's see if he can do it with the Jets or anyone else this year. Russell Wilson unseating hiigly paid incumbent Matt Flynn, proves a talented QB can win the starting job if they earn it. Let's see how your boy responds.
