Yes there are safeties that dominate in a cover 2 D. Those are typically "Seek and destroy" type guys who can cover half a field & then come up to punish. That isn't exactly Reed's game. He needs freedom to roam the field to always be around the ball to make plays. He's more of a ballhawk type safety. He would not have been given that type of discipline in Herm's scheme.
obviously he was never great but he was a long time starter during the best stretch in Jets history of sustained success so he was nowhere near a bust.
When the Jets took Ken Obrien whith Marino still on the board, I felt at the time it was a solid pick. Marino was labeled 'raw' at the time coming out because His team lost the 1983 Cotton Bowl Classic 7-3 to Southern Methodist His senior year was not his best year, and he finished ninth in voting for the Heisman Trophy in 1982, after finishing fourth the previous year. So even to this day, I don't blame the Jets at all taking O'brien. KB's own downfall was his propensity for holding on to the ball to long - and getting sacked too many times to even make a count of. He was a tough SOB, though...he took the hit and got right up to call the next play.
Hmm for best I think I would go Revis based on talent/skill only. But I could see all the picks on there to be honest. Mangold and Revis still have to complete their careers. For worst, I still go Nuget. A kicker in the second round after a kicker blew a playoff game for you is so reactionary a few months after the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_first-round_draft_picks 84 through 93 were TERRIBLE... year after year other than al toon. 1984 10 Russell Carter CB/S Southern Methodist University 6 4 15 Ron Faurot DE/DT Arkansas 2 2 [18] 1985 10 Al Toon WR Wisconsin 8 8 1986 22 Mike Haight T/G Iowa 7 6 1987 21 Roger Vick FB Texas A&M 3 1 1988 8 Dave Cadigan T/G USC 6 5 1989 14 Jeff Lageman LB Virginia 10 6 1990 2 Blair Thomas RB Penn State 6 4 1991 No draft pick [19] 1992 15 Johnny Mitchell TE Nebraska 6 4 the draft was actually painful to watch many of those years, you just expected the jets to do something absolutely incompetent. dave cadigan was just not even a surprise, it was expected to be absurd. the real horror was that so many times they didnt draft the bpa OR for need.
How about 2nd round pick in 1986 Doug Williams, he was cut in training camp and from what I remember, upon being told he was cut by Joe Walton, his reply was " that's the quickest $300k you ever spent", referring to his signing bonus...
I remember Mipke Haight saying he didn't even think he would be drafted in the 1st round...:breakdance:
There should be a, "thanks - try again" icon. Even considering his garbage, he has playoff wins as a rookie and 2nd year starter, beat Brady, and was a part of some of the happiest moments for jets fans in recent history. Sorry to inform you that you are wrong.
no doubt and part of why coslet and carroll couldn't stick. those years from 86 thru 90 were some of the worst draft classes for the jets as far as impact players. sure they found guys like hasty, washington, mcmillan but day one picks were atrocious. they started to pick better in 93/94 - at least at the top of the draft.
yep and we started to accumulate talent, Parcells is no dummy. he knew he had plenty of talent to work with for a quick turnaround. Unfortunately he couldn't draft well to keep it going but overall since the mid 90s we gave drafted pretty well which is why we have been one of the better AFC franchises this Century.
cant argue with that junc - the lean parcells drafts did not help bradway/edwards too much and the quality over quantity approach of recent years is currently under fire. and rightfully so.
judge his drafts on the actual drafts not on trades. he didn't care about our future so it was easy to sign a RFA and give up a 1.
again, it was an easy move for him since he didn't care about our future. He was trying to win at that moment w/ no regard for the future which is why he left us in such bad shape cap wise. I'm not giving him credit for the draft based on that move, his drafts were horrendous. He had the #1 overall pick in the draft and completely screwed it up. That's not easy to do.
Edwards/Bad-way would have been a disasterous era had Parcells not built those teams. Think about it. They rode Pennington, Curtis Martin, Coles, the OL hard. ALL built by Parcells.
BP didn't build anything, he won w/ Steinberg/kotite players Chad & Coles were brought I by Groh who gave us the one quality draft we had in BP's 4 years but looking back we didn't have half the draft we should have w 4/ 1st rd picks. Edwards/Bradway won w/ the players they inherited, retooled in year 2 and won again, retooled in year 4 and won again.
Chad and Coles weren't brought in by Groh. They were brought in by the Big Tuna. Parcells' drafts get underrated in Jets history. The guy had swings and misses like anyone, but he brought this team a core for a long time. He also built the team right through the trenches. The lineman he took in the mid rounds were very underrated and the line was the core that team until Bradway messed that one up. Edwards/Bad-way won with Pennington, Martin, Coles and the big OL on offense and the pass rush of Abraham, Ellis on D. They were all BUILT by Parcells. Signing Martin to that offer sheet was a bold move but probably the best move this organization has ever seen in it's existence, yet you choose to dismiss it "it was easy for him to do since he didn't care about the future"... HUH?!? That was not "easy" or short term. At the time the league had seen very few big RFA's like that. It was bold, and a genius move for both the short term and long term. The fact that it stole away our competitions best player made it even better. Why do you continue to talk down two of the two greatest things that ever happened to this organization (Namath, Parcells) but prop up the average to poor smucks like Badway, Tannenbaum, Edwards, Sanchez, etc.??!!? Do you really have that messed up of viewpoints or do you just like to argue?
